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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    I say people/corporations should be able to put as much money as they want towards as many candidates as they want and they do not have to report any of it.

    Only morons fall for political advertising - and I don't care about them. They are sheep - useless, irrelevant (no matter how many there are of them). And most of these knuckle heads are ridiculously partisan anyway and wouldn't vote for anyone outside 'their' party no matter what advertisements say.

    People with properly working brains/emotions decide for themselves and political advertising makes no appreciable difference to them.

    So make it all limitless and straightforward.

    Anybody that thinks campaign reform is in ANY way a remotely viable solution to the pathetic state of politics in America, imo, simply does not understand the problem.


    BTW - I have never given a dime to any political campaign.

    Frankly, I think you have to be staggeringly naive to throw your money away in such a fashion.

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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Limits on money put the state in position to ration political speech.
    I'd rather the state (ie, we the people) be in the position to ration political speech than the pocketbooks of billionaires.

    But there's nothing wrong with rationing if everyone gets the same amount. It equalizes the playing field and that's what we need most of all. One candidate doesn't get an advantage over another by having rich friends, and it removes the temptation for them to sell out to those with money.

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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    I'd rather the state (ie, we the people) be in the position to ration political speech than the pocketbooks of billionaires.

    But there's nothing wrong with rationing if everyone gets the same amount. It equalizes the playing field and that's what we need most of all. One candidate doesn't get an advantage over another by having rich friends, and it removes the temptation for them to sell out to those with money.
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I say people/corporations should be able to put as much money as they want towards as many candidates as they want and they do not have to report any of it.

    Only morons fall for political advertising - and I don't care about them. They are sheep - useless, irrelevant (no matter how many there are of them). And most of these knuckle heads are ridiculously partisan anyway and wouldn't vote for anyone outside 'their' party no matter what advertisements say.
    Morons with as much political clout as you have, come election time.
    I, for one, would like to mitigate the damage they can do when the likes of the Koch brothers finance campaigns to pull them around by the nose rings.

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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    I'd rather the state (ie, we the people) be in the position to ration political speech than the pocketbooks of billionaires.

    But there's nothing wrong with rationing if everyone gets the same amount. It equalizes the playing field and that's what we need most of all. One candidate doesn't get an advantage over another by having rich friends, and it removes the temptation for them to sell out to those with money.
    One a scale of 1 to 100 (1 being the least), my trust of politicians is about a 5.

    My trust of billionaires is about a 20.

    Billionaires are usually greedy...I can handle that. I understand that. They have everything else (that they can buy), so their agenda's are usually readily apparent.

    Politicians often have a myriad of emotional deficiencies and lusts that are rarely seen or understood.


    I trusted politicians once....then I grew up and saw the world for what it is.

    Imo, trusting politicians is the bastion of the ignorant and/or the naive (no offense).

    I believe that NOTHING a politician EVER says or does should ever be trusted until their sincerity is proven by unbiased facts/data.

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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    One a scale of 1 to 100 (1 being the least), my trust of politicians is about a 5.

    My trust of billionaires is about a 20.

    Billionaires are usually greedy...I can handle that. I understand that. They have everything else (that they can buy), so their agenda's are usually readily apparent.

    Politicians often have a myriad of emotional deficiencies and lusts that are rarely seen or understood.
    Perhaps due to having to toe the line between representing their constituents and appeasing their campaign donators.
    Empower the donators and it might throw politicians into even greater chaos.

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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    Perhaps due to having to toe the line between representing their constituents and appeasing their campaign donators.
    Empower the donators and it might throw politicians into even greater chaos.
    I think it is just that most politicians are corrupted human beings with mental/emotional deficiencies who care far more about themselves then their constituents.

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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I think it is just that most politicians are corrupted human beings with mental/emotional deficiencies who care far more about themselves then their constituents.
    And perhaps the single worst influence for corruption is money, second only to the promise of money in the future.
    Which is why its power should be removed from campaigns as much as we can manage.

    I might even go on to say that holding certain political positions should cap even what you can make after leaving office. Even if we were to remove the influx of money while a politician is campaigning or in office, they could still sell their loyalties for the promise of wealth after they leave office.

    Or even the imagined promise of wealth afterwards. When you look at the fortunes made on the lecture circuit, through book deals, and--in Palin's case--reality TV, you have to wonder how many celebrity wannabes would see political office as nothing more than a stepping stone to other fortunes. That, too, presents a significant risk of corruption or disinterest once they're in office.

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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I think it is just that most politicians are corrupted human beings with mental/emotional deficiencies who care far more about themselves then their constituents.
    Yet, by opposing disclosure, you would favor allowing them to work in complete secrecy regarding to whom they would be answerable to via funding. That is utterly illogical.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    I'd rather the state (ie, we the people) be in the position to ration political speech than the pocketbooks of billionaires.

    But there's nothing wrong with rationing if everyone gets the same amount. It equalizes the playing field and that's what we need most of all. One candidate doesn't get an advantage over another by having rich friends, and it removes the temptation for them to sell out to those with money.
    I disagree completely. Everything is wrong with rationing even if (or especially if) everyone gets the same amount. Freedom is freedom and equality is equality; they are not the same and are often in tension. I'll go with freedom and take my chances re equality, rather than enforce equality and hope freedom survives.
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