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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    I have no issue with disclosure. It's just that people who want something for nothing from our government want limits / restrictions on people with wealth. They have no issue with discriminating against someone who doesn't agree with them by limiting that individuals ability to put out their message.

    In our technology era the ability for immediate disclosure is at hand and should be clear and required.

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    Which is why restrictions will never work.

    If we can't limit campaign funding, we need to require disclosure.

    Absolute, complete, and before the campaign ends.

    If you can't show where some money came from, it should raise red flags and the like.

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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Not more than we currently have. People have always found a way to funnel the money. Likewise banning contributions seems to be pointlessly utopian.
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    1. Can't vote, can't contribute. IOW, only beings that can enter a voting booth and legally vote can contribute. That means no corporations, no foreign nationals, no PACs or committees, no out-of-state American citizens in state elections, and so on.
    2. ALL contributions must be made public within 48 hours.
    3. No contributions within 5 days prior to the election.
    4. All political ads must have a person's name that is qualified to contribute per above behind it.
    5. All left over contributions would be pro-rated and returned to the contributors after the election, which means there would be no phantom contributions and all campaigns would start from scratch (equal footing).

    I really like this idea. Except can you explain number four a little bit more. I don't don't really get it. Since all political ads these days have the politician themselves endorsing it, or the organizations name somewhere on it.
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Not more than we currently have. People have always found a way to funnel the money. Likewise banning contributions seems to be pointlessly utopian.
    Are you replying to what I said? Because I never mentioned banning contributions. In fact, I explained, I don't want to ban contributions, I want to allow more contributions from individuals and thereby in the process it would overtime erase the middle man (organizations and corporations).
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    I always thought the campaign finance laws were ridiculous.

    Scenario 1: An individual likes everything one politician stands for and wants to help him/her get into the White House by donating some money. It doesn't matter the dollar amount. At least in a society that claims it is supposed to be for the people by the people, this shouldn't even be restricted as it is.

    Scenario 2: Banks, Corporations, Unions, and other populist public interest groups, can donate to the campaigns and political organizations this politician belongs to. Never directly to the individual themselves.

    Conclusion: Isn't it the same thing? and should it just be reformed to reflect scenario one instead of scenario two. So that the 1% can stop hiding behind the cloak of fundraising. So that we as a public can see where each individual truly has allegiances to? I'm not saying that this will automatically happen if individuals were allowed to donate to specific candidates but I think it just makes more sense then setting up small shell organizations to funnel money to friends of politicians who can easily allow them to take whatever the heck they wanted out of said fund. Sure, it's illegal but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen under some of these umbrellas. EX: Bob McDonnel/Ron Paul.

    PS: I don't think corporations should be excluded from campaigns anymore than populist groups. I just think individuals shouldn't be excluded either.

    To me it's one of the most common over-looked problems in DC and number one cause of polarization.
    I don't think there should be contribution limits or disclosure requirements.
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    I really like this idea. Except can you explain number four a little bit more. I don't don't really get it. Since all political ads these days have the politician themselves endorsing it, or the organizations name somewhere on it.
    Thanks.

    #4: Instead of something like "Citizens for Fair Campaigns" at the end of a negative attack ad, which doesn't tell us anything, require that a person's real name stand up for it. If John Smith is financing Citizens for Fair Campaigns, then put John Smith's name on it.

    I know it's not perfect, and there would be attempts around the intent, but I think it'd be a step in the right direction.
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    I always thought the campaign finance laws were ridiculous.

    Scenario 1: An individual likes everything one politician stands for and wants to help him/her get into the White House by donating some money. It doesn't matter the dollar amount. At least in a society that claims it is supposed to be for the people by the people, this shouldn't even be restricted as it is.

    Scenario 2: Banks, Corporations, Unions, and other populist public interest groups, can donate to the campaigns and political organizations this politician belongs to. Never directly to the individual themselves.

    Conclusion: Isn't it the same thing? and should it just be reformed to reflect scenario one instead of scenario two. So that the 1% can stop hiding behind the cloak of fundraising. So that we as a public can see where each individual truly has allegiances to? I'm not saying that this will automatically happen if individuals were allowed to donate to specific candidates but I think it just makes more sense then setting up small shell organizations to funnel money to friends of politicians who can easily allow them to take whatever the heck they wanted out of said fund. Sure, it's illegal but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen under some of these umbrellas. EX: Bob McDonnel/Ron Paul.

    PS: I don't think corporations should be excluded from campaigns anymore than populist groups. I just think individuals shouldn't be excluded either.

    To me it's one of the most common over-looked problems in DC and number one cause of polarization.
    While i understand what you are getting at right now, in order to do this reform you would have to literally deny a person to give to charity. People donating money to political organizations and those political organizations distributing it to their members so that they can get elected is completely legal an a backbone of our political society.

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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Thanks.

    #4: Instead of something like "Citizens for Fair Campaigns" at the end of a negative attack ad, which doesn't tell us anything, require that a person's real name stand up for it. If John Smith is financing Citizens for Fair Campaigns, then put John Smith's name on it.

    I know it's not perfect, and there would be attempts around the intent, but I think it'd be a step in the right direction.
    I get your point now. However, I believe most ads have this these days. Although come to think of it the RNC and DNC ads plus PETA ads and various PSA don't tell you who is supporting it. It is just a platform that people use to raise money and then no one knows where said money goes. EX: Red Cross/Haiti fiasco.
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by ColdSteel View Post
    While i understand what you are getting at right now, in order to do this reform you would have to literally deny a person to give to charity. People donating money to political organizations and those political organizations distributing it to their members so that they can get elected is completely legal an a backbone of our political society.
    Crap! As I work for a charity I would not want that to happen. I'll have to refine this a bit then but I do believe I never restricted anyone from giving to charities. I can see where the line of non-profit, charity and political organization can be blurred. And the sleazy politicians using this loophole as well. Maybe people who donate to charity should also be public knowledge but sometimes that's harder to track since Churches are linked to charities and they don't release said info due to being a private institution. and who would honestly care if I give $20 to my church every week?
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I don't think there should be contribution limits or disclosure requirements.
    I don't really understand that. Campaign contributions are a form of legalized bribery of elected officials. As far as I'm concerned, we have the right and the obligation to limit the amount of the bribes and to disclose the person offering the bribe (over some de minimis amount - a few $100 or so), in real time. It seems self evident that if Joe Corn Farmer and all his corn farmer friends give the maximum to Sen. Kansas, and then Kansas votes for increasing corn subsidies, that we should be able to draw a line between the bribe (and it is a bribe) and the vote.

    And I don't really understand why we allow transnational corporations with operations and owners all over the globe to contribute to U.S. elections. Those businesses have no allegiance to the U.S. and quite frankly are agnostic about how any policy will affect citizens OF the U.S. If it benefits them to move a plant overseas and hollow out a town, they'll do it without a second thought. We might as well allow Chinese banks to contribute or Saudi oil companies or Russian natural gas companies. I have no problems with U.S. citizens who are employees of those companies contributing like the rest of us, but I see no reason to allow corporate treasury to be used as the funding source.

    And we hear "Money = speech" or "if you limit the money then you must by definition limit speech" and those are true enough. But what that accepts as a NECESSARY evil is a $billionaire has roughly a $billion times the "speech" of a poor person. I just don't believe that was the kind of world the founders intended. If they'd wanted an oligarchy/plutocracy, they could have written an oligarchy into the Constitution.

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