Imperialistic America

[ColdSteel]

Is america a modern imperialistic power? We have invade like 22 different country's in the last 20 years, and while there have been complaints and retaliation, we still do it.

 

[Lutherf]

How many have we kept?

 

[falcata]

How many have we kept?

To be fair annexation doesn't really follow the modern principles of imperialism. It's better defined as domination through political, economic, and/or military means.

 

[Jack Hays]

Is america a modern imperialistic power? We have invade like 22 different country's in the last 20 years, and while there have been complaints and retaliation, we still do it.

Colin Powell in 2003:

"We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works."

 

[Jerry]

Is america a modern imperialistic power?

We sure are.

Did you have another question or is that the end of the thread?

 

[DaveFagan]

How many have we kept?

I don't remember the USA insisting on returning the copper to Chile as a result of Pinochet killing Allende to maintain IT & T hegemony of copper mining. I don't rightly recollect the USA trying to send the OIL back to Iran, after the CIA had Mossadegh killed, that we bought from the Shah of Iran for 12 cents per barrel and I'm probably foolish to think the "Banana Republics" of Latin America refunded to their laborer class their diminished wages by initiating governmental leadership changes for favorable management contracts for Rockefeller's United Fruit Corp. and the Libyans are rumored to be ecstatic now that they don't have to worry about free housing, free food, free water and free education through University level now that we killed that repressive Qaddaffi and we just tried to get control of East Ukraine's gas and energy assets so the working class in Donbass won't have to hire bookkeepers to keep track of their energy monies and the list is endless. It is always about bringing resources into the USA Corporate Network of hegemony. Not really all that complicated. We, USA Corporate, just keep all the money. We leave things like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya or to quote Putin, "Everything the USA touches turns into Libya." Gee, why would he say sumpin' like that, eh?

 

[Lutherf]

I don't remember the USA insisting on returning the copper to Chile as a result of Pinochet killing Allende to maintain IT & T hegemony of copper mining. I don't rightly recollect the USA trying to send the OIL back to Iran, after the CIA had Mossadegh killed, that we bought from the Shah of Iran for 12 cents per barrel and I'm probably foolish to think the "Banana Republics" of Latin America refunded to their laborer class their diminished wages by initiating governmental leadership changes for favorable management contracts for Rockefeller's United Fruit Corp. and the Libyans are rumored to be ecstatic now that they don't have to worry about free housing, free food, free water and free education through University level now that we killed that repressive Qaddaffi and we just tried to get control of East Ukraine's gas and energy assets so the working class in Donbass won't have to hire bookkeepers to keep track of their energy monies and the list is endless. It is always about bringing resources into the USA Corporate Network of hegemony. Not really all that complicated. We, USA Corporate, just keep all the money. We leave things like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya or to quote Putin, "Everything the USA touches turns into Libya." Gee, why would he say sumpin' like that, eh?

Mossadegh was in the 50's. Allende was in the 70's. Neither of those were "in the past 20 years".

We aren't getting a damned thing out of Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya and I'm pretty sure that you have us confused with Russia as far as invading Ukraine.

 

[Jack Hays]

I don't remember the USA insisting on returning the copper to Chile as a result of Pinochet killing Allende to maintain IT & T hegemony of copper mining. I don't rightly recollect the USA trying to send the OIL back to Iran, after the CIA had Mossadegh killed, that we bought from the Shah of Iran for 12 cents per barrel and I'm probably foolish to think the "Banana Republics" of Latin America refunded to their laborer class their diminished wages by initiating governmental leadership changes for favorable management contracts for Rockefeller's United Fruit Corp. and the Libyans are rumored to be ecstatic now that they don't have to worry about free housing, free food, free water and free education through University level now that we killed that repressive Qaddaffi and we just tried to get control of East Ukraine's gas and energy assets so the working class in Donbass won't have to hire bookkeepers to keep track of their energy monies and the list is endless. It is always about bringing resources into the USA Corporate Network of hegemony. Not really all that complicated. We, USA Corporate, just keep all the money. We leave things like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya or to quote Putin, "Everything the USA touches turns into Libya." Gee, why would he say sumpin' like that, eh?

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[DaveFagan]

Mossadegh was in the 50's. Allende was in the 70's. Neither of those were "in the past 20 years".

We aren't getting a damned thing out of Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya and I'm pretty sure that you have us confused with Russia as far as invading Ukraine.

The War Machine in the USA has profitted handsomely from Libya, Afghanistan and Libya and so have the Big Energy Corporations because wars run on Big Energy so the first profits of war go to Big Energy. Then, as with these three countries, profits are generated in leasing, transporting, refining and retailing the hegemonically stolen energy assets. You must have the USA confused with an MSM portrayal as "the White Knight on the Hill," instead of the resource grabbers with buckets of funny money, Eh?

 

[Jack Hays]

The War Machine in the USA has profitted handsomely from Libya, Afghanistan and Libya and so have the Big Energy Corporations because wars run on Big Energy so the first profits of war go to Big Energy. Then, as with these three countries, profits are generated in leasing, transporting, refining and retailing the hegemonically stolen energy assets. You must have the USA confused with an MSM portrayal as "the White Knight on the Hill," instead of the resource grabbers with buckets of funny money, Eh?

A third-grader's world view.

 

[DaveFagan]

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As a courtesy I followed and would have to join to read the entire article, so only read the first page. The CIA, as you know so well, is not famous for truth so the title of the article is an oxymoron in itself. Another note, the CFR is a Rockefeller, the same Rockefeller from United Fruit Corp., funded think tank, not a govermental organization. But using a working plantation owner in a banana Republic as a reference to respectability and truth is willfully deceptive.

 

[Jack Hays]

As a courtesy I followed and would have to join to read the entire article, so only read the first page. The CIA, as you know so well, is not famous for truth so the title of the article is an oxymoron in itself. Another note, the CFR is a Rockefeller, the same Rockefeller from United Fruit Corp., funded think tank, not a govermental organization. But using a working plantation owner in a banana Republic as a reference to respectability and truth is willfully deceptive.

The entire article is available at the link.

 

[The German]

By definition, to be an imperial power it would need colonies.

The US is a former colony and is by it`s history of being that and bringing down some of the greatest imperial powers a antiimperialist country.

 

[Van Basten]

We sure are.

Did you have another question or is that the end of the thread?

Yea, it's a pretty quick and easy question. Not sure what the OP expected out of this thread.

By definition, to be an imperial power it would need colonies.

The US is a former colony and is by it`s history of being that and bringing down some of the greatest imperial powers a antiimperialist country.

By the most basic definition, sure, that would be true.

 

[Bodi]

The War Machine in the USA has profitted handsomely from Libya, Afghanistan and Libya and so have the Big Energy Corporations because wars run on Big Energy so the first profits of war go to Big Energy. Then, as with these three countries, profits are generated in leasing, transporting, refining and retailing the hegemonically stolen energy assets. You must have the USA confused with an MSM portrayal as "the White Knight on the Hill," instead of the resource grabbers with buckets of funny money, Eh?

Did we invade Libya twice?

 

[DaveFagan]

Did we invade Libya twice?

You could say that since we've sent that Langley resident, Haftar, to mop up over there. Actually, three was Iraq, pretty transparent anyway.

 

[eohrnberger]

Did we invade Libya twice?

I recall the US bombing Libya in the Regan administration, once the Lockerbie airliner bombing was traced back to their state spy agency.

Then, there would be that 'leading from behind' thing that'd be hard to call any sort of invasion by any stretch.

True, back in WW II the Libyan desert was the theater for the British and German amour going at each other.

Have I missed anything?

 

[Jack Hays]

I recall the US bombing Libya in the Regan administration, once the Lockerbie airliner bombing was traced back to their state spy agency.

Then, there would be that 'leading from behind' thing that'd be hard to call any sort of invasion by any stretch.

True, back in WW II the Libyan desert was the theater for the British and German amour going at each other.

Have I missed anything?

For the record, Lockerbie was later. Reagan bombed Libya because of a bombing of a disco in Berlin where US servicemen were killed. That was traced to Libyans.

 

[matchlight]

I wasn't aware that the U.S., Shah Pahlavi, or anyone else had Mohammed Mossadegh killed.

 

[jet57]

How many have we kept?

That doesn't matter; just like with a stroke, it's the initial insult that counts.

 

[Lutherf]

That doesn't matter; just like with a stroke, it's the initial insult that counts.

I'm just thinking that it would be a pretty crappy empire if the Imperialists neither kept what they invaded nor profited by pillaging thier conquests.

 

[jet57]

Is america a modern imperialistic power? We have invade like 22 different country's in the last 20 years, and while there have been complaints and retaliation, we still do it.

Yep. It sure looks that way. I call it hegemony. I think that's more accurate. Trouble for us is, we can't get a reprasentative government in this country that will move us away from that. We wind up losing it.

 

[jet57]

I'm just thinking that it would be a pretty crappy empire if the Imperialists neither kept what they invaded nor profited by pillaging thier conquests.

Oh, the empire profits, believe me.

 

[Bodi]

I recall the US bombing Libya in the Regan administration, once the Lockerbie airliner bombing was traced back to their state spy agency.

Then, there would be that 'leading from behind' thing that'd be hard to call any sort of invasion by any stretch.

True, back in WW II the Libyan desert was the theater for the British and German amour going at each other.

Have I missed anything?

I was making fun of the fact that he listed Libya twice in his post. We invaded Libya, Afghanistan and Libya...

 

[Bodi]

For the record, Lockerbie was later. Reagan bombed Libya because of a bombing of a disco in Berlin where US servicemen were killed. That was traced to Libyans.

And the Libyans also shot Doc Brown for not returning the Uranium that he used in the Flux Capacitor. Bastards...