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    Re: Imperialistic America

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    American history is full of atrocities with Native American slaughtering and slavery. We're no better than anyone else, just better resources, organization and learning from mistakes. Our flexible Constitution, melting pot culture and rule of law have helped our society, along with roots in traditional values, but that is all changing now.
    Just watch out how rival empire's operate and learn from their mistakes. At the same time I cannot help but think that those idiots sure are helping you be perceived as a better empire.

    So, every now and then you should thank your rivals for being bullies and evil. After all due to their darkness you seem more bright.
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    Re: Imperialistic America

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Just watch out how rival empire's operate and learn from their mistakes. At the same time I cannot help but think that those idiots sure are helping you be perceived as a better empire.

    So, every now and then you should thank your rivals for being bullies and evil. After all due to their darkness you seem more bright.

    Rivals? Where are the ones who rivaled us?
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    Re: Imperialistic America

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Rivals? Where are the ones who rivaled us?
    I mean Russia and China rivals still operate the classical way, and under such operations what you do appears better. So I was sarcastically telling you to thank them for that, that is all.
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    Re: Imperialistic America

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I mean Russia and China rivals still operate the classical way, and under such operations what you do appears better. So I was sarcastically telling you to thank them for that, that is all.
    I knew what you meant.
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    Re: Imperialistic America

    Quote Originally Posted by ColdSteel View Post
    Is america a modern imperialistic power? We have invade like 22 different country's in the last 20 years, and while there have been complaints and retaliation, we still do it.
    I say yes, but perhaps not in the traditional use of the word. We don't create new states out of the countries we defeat, but we do put military bases in them and maintain a great deal of influence.

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    Re: Imperialistic America

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    .....I have to challenge that. Britains' Empire may have expanded in the famous "fit of absence of mind", but the idea that it wasn't linked to military dominance of the space is... from what I understand, simply not tenable. Britain didn't pick up India or South Africa because they came in and asked pretty-please.
    I didn't say Great Britain did not enjoy military (particularly naval) dominance, but I said that its colonial possessions were not gained by means of military invasion. I.e: the British armed forces did not defeat the Indian armed forces, the African armed forces, the American armed forces, the Malay armed forces, or the Australian armed forces, in order to vanquish and occupy those territories. That the British used their military might to ward of other colonial powers, primarily the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch, is inarguable, but that is not to what I referred.

    I do not doubt you have read your history of the British empire, and know that India, for example, was breached (in the trading sense) by the East India Company, and it took from 1601 to 1833 for it to develop governing influence in India, which was ended in 1858 by the British government stepping in to stop the violent excesses of the company. This is very far from a military conquest and occupation.

    That the colonisation of India, Malaya, America, Australia, and parts of Africa was exploitative is not in question either, my point devolves about the modus operandi of gaining these overseas possessions. I am not an apologist for any form of imperialism.
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    Re: Imperialistic America

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Britannia ruled the waves. And as for conventional military force, here's one example. French Colonel Marchand came overland to the upper Nile from Brazzaville (a very tough trip) with 200 men. Lord Kitchener sailed up the Nile from Cairo with 20,000 Queens' African Rifles. They met at Fashoda, and the upper Nile was British thereafter.
    Just so, but what does that tell us - other than the fact that, all other things being equal - 20,000 men will very likely defeat 200 men?
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    Re: Imperialistic America

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    Re: Imperialistic America

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Just so, but what does that tell us - other than the fact that, all other things being equal - 20,000 men will very likely defeat 200 men?
    Britain's imperial rise included a strong military conquest component.
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    Re: Imperialistic America

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    How many have we kept?
    Kept?? One needn't "keep" the real estate in order to be an imperialist power. By definition the US is MOST CERTAINLY an imperialistic power, all the while provoking countries and then wringing our hands when they respond in kind.

    im·pe·ri·al·ism
    imˈpi(ə)rēəˌlizəm/
    noun
    a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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