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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Justice? So by not believing something that is UNPROVABLE the punishment should be eternal hellfire? No, that's not justice, and it's not mercy. Some consequence would be ok, but eternal hellfire with NO chance of mercy, that is not justice or mercy.

    I notice now this is irrelevant because your signature quote suggests you're a calvinist, which is in my opinion the most despicable belief system in human history. You want to talk about justice and yet you believe that god created people destined to be sent to eternal hellfire and torture? Mercy my ass.
    You are entitled to your own opinion concerning religion, you are not entitled to omit what doesn't fit your pre-conceived ideas. As for my signature line, One doesn't have to be Calvinist to appreciate quotes from Calvin. I do however find Calvinist interpretation very meaningful and it offers a version of Christianity that emphasizes humility. I doubt that you can support your disdain for Calvinist Theology with any facts, so that is a meaningless statement.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Ah yes, rationalizing your way around the Bible. A typical Christian trait.
    Actually it not rationalizing, it is identifying what I am reading and understanding it prior to forming an opinion. You'd do well to try that!
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Only towards the unbelievers.
    Is there any equivalent and overtly stated precept of violence in Christian theology or uniquely Christian scripture, excepting the crucifixion of Christ?
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Are we allowed to utilize Old Testament texts?
    Only if those texts were written to Christian communities. You can appropriately use those texts to attack the character of God if you so choose, however you cannot use them to attack Christian theology, as they are specifically for the ancient Jewish community that they addressed. The only impact those historical texts have on Christianity is the theological meaning they provide, not their example.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    The first commandment can inspire adherents to submit to violent teachings against the infidel.
    It could if the individual chose to, but unlike Islam that is not required. In Judaism I believe the directive was to cast them out. This again was more cultural than religious, The Israelite had just left a land of plenty in Egypt and were now in wilderness (desert), it was imperative to build unity of culture for survival.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    When was the term Jew, Judaism or Jewish used in the first 5 books of the Bible? These were Israelites not Jews.
    I'm not sure, I'll have to do a bit of research. However Judaism is based on the Torah, which was given to all tribes. Maybe that the term was used beginning with Judah's blessing where he was given to hold the scepter of Israel for all eternity (just a guess).
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Is there any equivalent and overtly stated precept of violence in Christian theology or uniquely Christian scripture, excepting the crucifixion of Christ
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    Try reading the Old Testament when you have time.

    Stoning someone to death for picking up firewood on the Sabbath sounds pretty violent to me.

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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Actually it not rationalizing, it is identifying what I am reading and understanding it prior to forming an opinion. You'd do well to try that!
    No, it's just you trying to get around the parts of the book that you don't like. The Bible is the Big Book of Multiple Choice anyhow.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Try reading the Old Testament when you have time.

    Stoning someone to death for picking up firewood on the Sabbath sounds pretty violent to me.
    I have read it in its entirety, examples from the OT do not constitute Christian Theology. You have just committed a very common error that atheists are usually guilty of, equating ancient cultural Judaism with Christian theology. Nothing could be further from truth, and the difference is the exact reason that Caiaphas sought the life of Jesus. OT passages are not uniquely Christian, many are simply historical many, are instructive but they are not directive to the Christian faith.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, it's just you trying to get around the parts of the book that you don't like. The Bible is the Big Book of Multiple Choice anyhow.
    Absolutly not. Again you show your lack of knowledge. The Bible is not multiple choice it is systematic, how ever it is also a collection of separate books that were given to different people at different times for different purposes. It is an error to conflate the immediate purpose of the writing given to it's original recipients with the theological value of the particular book when read in concert with the others. You lack basic interpretive skills, you lack a systematic understanding of scripture, and you my friend are the one cherry picking those things that suit you.

    With respect to uniquely Christian Theology, Ie New testament theology, there is no such histories or directives to the "church" is there?
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