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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    No other religion is allowed to exist within the borders of Israel. All temples and peoples worshipping other gods are to be destroyed. However, non-religious people are allowed to exist within the borders of Israel. This may be different than Islam.

    According to Israeli tradition and Kosher law Islamic Mosques and Christian churches are to be destroyed within the borders of Israel. People are supposed to be executed for practicing a different religion or trying to convert someone to a different religion. Have you ever read the first 5 books of the Bible? It has been very accurately translated from the original Hebrew Texts.
    Is that what's happening?
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This says absolutely nothing about whether Christianity or Judaism are religions of peace. I'd say if anything Judaism has a stronger claim to "peace" than Christianity. For the most part, they've been either oppressed or in defense. On the other hand, Christian nations have spent the last 1600 years in continuous struggles of different sorts through different processes. From the Crusades to colonialism to neo-colonialism, Christian nations have found a way to embroil themselves in wars with others and themselves for both dogmatic and material reasons.
    That has more to do with the fact that there have never been that many Jews and how they were scapegoated in the New Testament in an attempt to appeal to a Roman audience. I doubt the average Joe Palestinian, having witnessed his kids dying after a U.N. shelter was targeted, would argue that religious Jews are anymore peaceful than Christians or Muslims are when you arm them.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    You make my point, thank you. You are still focusing on what props up your own view instead of the systematic view that scripture teaches. Do you believe Justice is a virtue? Can one have Justice without some form of consequence? Now, if there were no mention of human will, mercy, forgiveness, or atonement you might have a point. But scripture does and you don't, all you have is a myopic view that holds no merit.
    Justice? So by not believing something that is UNPROVABLE the punishment should be eternal hellfire? No, that's not justice, and it's not mercy. Some consequence would be ok, but eternal hellfire with NO chance of mercy, that is not justice or mercy.

    I notice now this is irrelevant because your signature quote suggests you're a calvinist, which is in my opinion the most despicable belief system in human history. You want to talk about justice and yet you believe that god created people destined to be sent to eternal hellfire and torture? Mercy my ass.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    IOW, when Muslims are in their Own countries they are Radical and Intolerant.
    BUT....When Confined to small Minorities in the Secular Christian West, where this is not "allowed", they are somewhat Domesticated.
    You don't post in the Europe section much, do you? There are Serious problems with 2%-10% of same.

    You sure made the case for the peacefullness of Islam!
    as long as they are Squashed by a much larger, more civilized, more secular, Christian West.
    Oh Yeah!
    This was another riveting point for Islam.. when put under a civil Non-Muslim control.
    What a backfiring excuse of a post.
    They run wild when allowed to, just as Christians would run wild if they had their own countries where they were allowed to. Europe's problem is that their largely liberal governments have allowed Muslims to go crazy there too, out of some ridiculous liberal desire not to offend anyone. They have allowed them to set up Sharia courts and live under Sharia law. Most of the Muslims in Europe came directly from Islamic countries where they're allowed to do what they want religiously. We don't allow that in the United States, we don't have those problems.

    Besides, I never said Islam was peaceful. I've said NO RELIGIONS ARE PEACEFUL. They only achieve that state when forced into it kicking and screaming by secular society. You ought to learn to read.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Obviously you have no Idea of what you are talking about. Deuteronomy was written to instruct Jews for their culture, in that time. You have failed to make distinctions between God's universal law and an historical event. Those historical texts have nothing to do with Christianity.

    Ah yes, rationalizing your way around the Bible. A typical Christian trait.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Revisionism? It's well known history.

    The gregorian reform was the first major shift in the relationship between church and state. That relationship evolved from there. Why was it possible? Well the nugget is in a well known bible quote "render unto Caesar...".
    Most of those reforms were internal, and did nothing to stop the church's violent domination over European culture. They still tortured and murdered people all the time, still meddled in the politics of countries, still conducted inquisitions, still conducted crusades... There's nothing resembling modern secularism, or any form of secularism where I'm not burnt at the stake, for a long time after this.

    And I'm not American, but I notice you ducked the question about the bill of rights being a meaningless historical event because slavery still existed.
    Fine, western secular liberal views. Views that were not in any way a part of Christian doctrine. I ignored that question because it's absurd. The bill of rights is currently law. It is not meaningless at all. Nor did it even address slavery. Was the notion that "all men are created equal" hypocritical in that slave owners wrote it? Yes. They didn't live up to that ideal. But nobody even had the ideal that religion shouldn't have power over people who didn't want to be a part of that religion until at least the Enlightenment, possibly later.

    And secular culture did not supplant Christian culture, since 80% of Americans are Christian. Christian culture just happens to be fertile ground for secularism.
    Their Christianity would be quite unrecognizable to Christians of a few centuries ago, especially the ones during your vaunted reforms. But despite their religious affectation, our culture is secular. Our laws are secular, our capitalism is extremely secular. Our views on money, sex, morality, and our place in the universe, for all but the most ignorant religious people (which are the minority of religious people, of course) are secular, to the point where their Christianity is having to twist itself around to incorporate those views and claim they had them all along. Somewhat like what you're doing.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Some people may call this religion Judaism, Israelites, Yawehism or something else. I am referring to the ancient religion that is derived from the first five books of the Bible.

    When you read Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers & Deuteronomy do you view a society of peaceful individuals? Are you able to visualize this ancient religion without mixing your ideas of modern Judaism?

    When I read the first five books of the Bible I see a religion very violent in nature and similar to Islam. It makes it very clear to me why these two tribes insist on killing each other all the time.

    Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?
    Christianity is. Which is why I wonder why extremist Christians aren't extremely Chrst-like, but that's for another time.


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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Aren't the precepts of Islam as described in the Quran and Haddith overtly violent?


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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Very poorly informed statement. Where exactly in scripture are Christians commanded to kill those who differ in their religious view? You can't answer can you?
    Are we allowed to utilize Old Testament texts?

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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I think one has to make a distinction in the types of "Law" that God has given. In the establishment of ancient Israel and the cultural practice that characterized that ancient culture, Judaism certainly was not a peaceful movement. It was an instrument of God's wrath and a law for building cultural unity amongst tribes. However, the "religion" is a bit different than the building of the culture. The religion was a system of atonement for the transgressions of law. In this aspect it was indeed a religion of peace and mercy. From an affirmative perspective, look at the 10 commandments; is there any thing in them that is not peaceful? No. Once transgressed and from a negative perspective things could get bad, however the religion was established as a vehicle for mercy, while at the same time maintaining justice. So yes it is a religion of peace.
    The first commandment can inspire adherents to submit to violent teachings against the infidel.

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