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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Christianity was "neutered" before secularism. Separation of church and state relied on the reformation. It's not an inevitability, Christianity was unique and its a mistake to assume it just happens everywhere.

    The Islamic world doesn't even have to come up with the idea. Yet it takes so hard.
    Islam is only radicalized in countries where it is allowed to be, where there is effectively no competition. As Muslims move to the west, in largely secular countries, you don't see many radicals, most of them adopt a much more secular way of life, just like Christianity did.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Very poorly informed statement. Where exactly in scripture are Christians commanded to kill those who differ in their religious view? You can't answer can you?
    Of course I can and already have. You seem to have "conveniently" ignored it. I'll do it again. Try Deuteronomy 13:12-15. It says quite clearly that if you come across a town that worships another god, that you are to slaughter its inhabitants down to the last man, and the cattle for some weird reason, because cows apparently can be heretics too.

    Geez, are you really that ignorant of your own book of mythology?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The only difference in terms of violence between Christianity and Islam is that most of the violence and genocide in Christianity occurs earlier in scripture while most of the violence in Islam occurs later in the Koran.
    This says absolutely nothing about whether Christianity or Judaism are religions of peace. I'd say if anything Judaism has a stronger claim to "peace" than Christianity. For the most part, they've been either oppressed or in defense. On the other hand, Christian nations have spent the last 1600 years in continuous struggles of different sorts through different processes. From the Crusades to colonialism to neo-colonialism, Christian nations have found a way to embroil themselves in wars with others and themselves for both dogmatic and material reasons.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Islam is only radicalized in countries where it is Allowed to be, where there is effectively no competition.
    As Muslims move to the west, in largely secular countries,
    you don't see many radicals, most of them adopt a much more secular way of life, just like Christianity did.
    IOW, when Muslims are in their Own countries they are Radical and Intolerant.
    BUT....When Confined to small Minorities in the Secular Christian West, where this is not "allowed", they are somewhat Domesticated.
    You don't post in the Europe section much, do you? There are Serious problems with 2%-10% of same.

    You sure made the case for the peacefullness of Islam!
    as long as they are Squashed by a much larger, more civilized, more secular, Christian West.
    Oh Yeah!
    This was another riveting point for Islam.. when put under a civil Non-Muslim control.
    What a backfiring excuse of a post.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    You'll definitely need to offer some actual evidence of this. Kings were subordinate to the church. Napoleon's refusal to let the pope crown him was shocking at the time. What you're saying sounds like a lot of historical revisionism, trying to overlay your modern American ideals (which are good ideals) over history to justify painting your religion as somehow superior and an ally of those modern ideals when it is anything but.



    Secularism didn't "take" in Christian culture. It supplanted it. Christian culture now exists in the southern countries in Africa. We don't have Christian culture here. We have secular culture.

    In that same vein, secular culture has been trying since at least the 1950s to gain a foothold in the Middle East (which if, of course, not the entirety of Muslim countries). It's had some successes, and plenty of setbacks, including the propping up of fundamentalist dictators in order to prevent those countries from embracing socialist ideas and allying with the Soviet Union. A lot of the movements behind the Arab Spring (which has been a mixed bag) were secular movements. Why hasn't secular culture supplanted Muslim culture? Because it's still in the process of doing so. Let's root for it to continue.

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    None of which is the result of Judaism. It comes from American secularism. Why is it important to you to suggest that Judaism is somehow superior to other religions? It isn't. It's a normal crappy one just like all the others.



    Christian apostates are killed in Christian countries. This, as usual, requires the explanation that industrialized secular nations aren't Christian countries, while many southern African ones, where they allow religion to dominate their lives in ways that industrialized secular nations would never tolerate. In Lesotho, Zambia, or Nambia, apostasy is met with violence, just like in Saudi Arabia. Why does this fact confuse you?



    Why are you only counting since 2000? Again, cherry picking your data. Either way, every single year, including since 2000, thousands of Palestinian children are killed by the Israeli military. How can you possibly not consider that genocide? And why must you invoke emotionally charged terms like "blood libel" (which has nothing to do with the situation we're talking about) in order to support your factually incorrect argument? Are you really suggesting that these children aren't dying? It seems like you are, since you deny the numbers involved and I apparently have to hunt them down for you.

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    I have no idea how you can suggest that a reaction by Jews to religious persecution in Europe is not religious in nature. Do you know what the words you're using mean?



    Remember that first post that started your weird rants? The one where I speculated that Judaism might be more peaceful than its contemporaries but we don't really know since it doesn't occupy the position of power that Hinduism, Christianity, and Islam enjoy? And the most available evidence, the violence in Palestine, doesn't really suggest that Judaism is immune to inciting religious violence when it has a little power to do so. I don't see any reason to assume that it wouldn't act exactly the same as its contemporaries with global power.



    Judaism's teaching are just as misogynistic, authoritarian, and cruel as other religions' are. Because they are the exact same teachings. It's excellent that Israel isn't the same kind of poor and uneducated nation that Nambia or Afghanistan is. But that doesn't vindicate the religion.



    The difference between religiously motivated violence and violence "in the name of a religion" is not the thread topic at all. It's a meaningless distinction that you keep bringing up in order to claim that some religious violence is acceptable and some (the modern string of Islamic-based violence) isn't. Any violence done over religious distinctions or religious ideology is wrong. Do you disagree with that statement? Is a woman being killed for having sex outside of marriage more or less evil when committed by Muslims in Saudi Arabia than it is when committed by Christians in Mozambique or Hindus in India? I say it is completely evil in all three cases and should never be tolerated.



    Why do you capitalize "filthy slanders"? I've been dying to ask that for years. Frothing conservatives and religious apologists capitalize words for emphasis rather than just proper nouns and the start of sentences. Why do you do that?
    Revisionism? It's well known history.

    The gregorian reform was the first major shift in the relationship between church and state. That relationship evolved from there. Why was it possible? Well the nugget is in a well known bible quote "render unto Caesar...".

    And I'm not American, but I notice you ducked the question about the bill of rights being a meaningless historical event because slavery still existed.

    And secular culture did not supplant Christian culture, since 80% of Americans are Christian. Christian culture just happens to be fertile ground for secularism.

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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    The bible describes God as Lord of Hosts, that is understood as a God over the battle, but the bible also refers to God as a God of Light, a God of Bread, A God of Justice, A God of Mercy, etc... I guess you pick the one that means the most to you personally, may I suggest you reconsider and take them all as a whole.
    Bahahahaha... A god of MERCY? He takes anyone who doesn't believe in him, even though he hasn't provided any appreciable evidence distinguishing himself from the other 1000's of gods, and throws them into eternal hellfire to be tortured with no chance of reprieve. He could have made the punishment 100 years, 10,000 years, 1 million years, but no, that's not long enough, it had to be eternity and no forgiveness will ever be given.

    That's not mercy, that sadism. You can feel free to bow to such a tyrant, but I will continue to call him the sadist that he is.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Some people may call this religion Judaism, Israelites, Yawehism or something else. I am referring to the ancient religion that is derived from the first five books of the Bible.

    When you read Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers & Deuteronomy do you view a society of peaceful individuals? Are you able to visualize this ancient religion without mixing your ideas of modern Judaism?

    When I read the first five books of the Bible I see a religion very violent in nature and similar to Islam. It makes it very clear to me why these two tribes insist on killing each other all the time.

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    Every religion advocates peace except for those who violate its precepts.

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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Of course I can and already have. You seem to have "conveniently" ignored it. I'll do it again. Try Deuteronomy 13:12-15. It says quite clearly that if you come across a town that worships another god, that you are to slaughter its inhabitants down to the last man, and the cattle for some weird reason, because cows apparently can be heretics too.

    Geez, are you really that ignorant of your own book of mythology?
    Obviously you have no Idea of what you are talking about. Deuteronomy was written to instruct Jews for their culture, in that time. You have failed to make distinctions between God's universal law and an historical event. Those historical texts have nothing to do with Christianity.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Bahahahaha... A god of MERCY? He takes anyone who doesn't believe in him, even though he hasn't provided any appreciable evidence distinguishing himself from the other 1000's of gods, and throws them into eternal hellfire to be tortured with no chance of reprieve. He could have made the punishment 100 years, 10,000 years, 1 million years, but no, that's not long enough, it had to be eternity and no forgiveness will ever be given.

    That's not mercy, that sadism. You can feel free to bow to such a tyrant, but I will continue to call him the sadist that he is.
    You make my point, thank you. You are still focusing on what props up your own view instead of the systematic view that scripture teaches. Do you believe Justice is a virtue? Can one have Justice without some form of consequence? Now, if there were no mention of human will, mercy, forgiveness, or atonement you might have a point. But scripture does and you don't, all you have is a myopic view that holds no merit.
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    Re: Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Every religion advocates peace except for those who violate its precepts.
    Aren't the precepts of Islam as described in the Quran and Haddith overtly violent?
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