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Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 11.4%

  • No

    Votes: 73 55.3%

  • Yes and no

    Votes: 28 21.2%

  • Something else

    Votes: 16 12.1%
  • Total voters
    132
... you'll discover that almost every single religion purports to be a religion of peace.
 
mbig said:
This is the Fallacy of anecdote/Exception.
An utterly Misleading 'equivalence' type statement.
MORE People Die Almost EVERY DAY in the NAME of Islam than have died in 30 YEARS Total of abortion Clinic bombings.

thereligionofpeace.com

Monthly Jihad Report
August, 2014

Jihad Attacks: : : 222
Countries:: : : : : 27
Allah Akbars: : :: 24 (Suicide bombings)
Dead Bodies: : : 4573
Critically Injured: 2287

Last 30 Days Only. NAME of Islam Only.
Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time​


The Strawman 'Terrorism' is just the most famous Tip of a Violent/Intolerant Iceberg.
Significant Minorities to Large Majorities favor penalties for 'Insulting Islam', or DEATH for 'Apostasy.'

Christianity and islam are NOT remotely Comparable.
A Christian Fundamentalist is a Missionary, a Muslim Fundamentalist Kills him.

As always, paschendale #5, was quick to the 100% Wrong, 100% apologism.
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Some would call this objective reality bigotry. They are trying to deflect from reality.
 
There are plenty of people who are peaceful, who are also Muslim. As for the religion, the philosophy itself is not what I'd call peaceful at all, if taken literally.
 
In my view, the religion itself isn't any more violent or any more peaceful than any other religion.

It's what the people make of it, i.e. how they distort it to their own ends, and there seems to be a great many that are distorting Islam to violence, as there are a great many people, lacking independent thought and critical thinking, who seems to be so easily seduced to that dark side.
 
mbig said:
Christianity and islam are NOT remotely Comparable.
A Christian Fundamentalist is a Missionary, a Muslim Fundamentalist Kills him.
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That just depends on where you are in the world. I doubt the thousands of Hindus and Buddhists who were forced by the NLFT to convert to Christianity with a machete pressed against their throats would agree with you. Same goes for plenty of people in Uganda and Nigeria.
 
Napoleon said:
That just depends on where you are in the world. I doubt the thousands of Hindus and Buddhists who were forced by the NLFT to convert to Christianity with a machete pressed against their throats would agree with you. Same goes for plenty of people in Uganda and Nigeria.
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Nice exception post!

I note you did NOT quote or respond to the BULK of My post showing Islam's Worldwide Carnage which DWARFS anyone and everyone else's.
So, yeah, it depends on where you are Only because you need a Microscope to find your example, while mine is pandemic and why every flier spends an extra hour on every trip.
 
mbig said:
Nice exception post! I note you did NOT quote or respond to the BULK of My post showing Islam's Worldwide Carnage which DWARFS anyone and everyone else's. So, yeah, it depends on where you are Only because you need a Microscope to find your example, while mine is pandemic and why every flier spends an extra hour on every trip.
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Microscopic? I wouldn't consider, for example, the abduction of 25,000 children for use as soldiers and sex slaves and displacement of nearly 2 million people by The Lord's Resistance Army to be microscopic. Such atrocities committed by Christian terrorist organizations are not microscopic but they are under reported in favor of the evil Muslim boogeyman created by the media.
 
While it continues to remain enshrined as an inclination towards theocracy, Islam will remain contentious. Especially where it jars with its more tolerant counterparts. At the point where the muslim world develops its own format of what we understand as seperation of church and state, it should be just fine. With that, both its social and material prosperity is assured, as were ours once we learned that lesson.
 
I'm not theologian enough to know if Islam is a "religion of peace," or not. But any Muslim nation whose leaders view it as a religion of violence had better have the forces to back it up, if they ever decide Allah has commanded them to attack much stronger opponents. Any nation like that could find itself on the receiving end of violence like its people have never even dreamed of.

Even seventy years ago, the U.S. and Britain both had bombers that could--and did--kill tens of thousands of people in a single night, in Hamburg, Tokyo, Dresden, and other cities. The bombers of today could probably do even more damage than that. And all this without needing to turn to nuclear weapons, of which the U.S. has six thousand or so, most of them many times more powerful than the two used on Japan in 1945.
 
Solid no. I don't doubt that many are distorting Islam but the silence of muslims who don't is deafening. One can only conclude that they approve of the bat **** crazy minority.
 
A Muslim meets me for the first time....

He/she has three choices:

1) Convert me.

2) Make me submit (Ie: tax me).

3) Kill me.

I voted no.
 
radcen said:
Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

Yes?
No?
Yes and no?
Something else?

Please give some thoughts behind your conclusion.

Bonus question: In your opinion, why did Bush II go out of his way to refer to it as such after 9/11? Do you think he actually believed it? Do you think he was trying to keep people (us and them) calm?
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A religion is only as good as the people practicing it...
 
Nightrider said:
A Muslim meets me for the first time....

He/she has three choices:

1) Convert me.

2) Make me submit (Ie: tax me).

3) Kill me.

I voted no.
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I met a Muslim for the first time last week at a soccer tournament and he asked me if I wanted a coffee... he was going to a cafe' and bought the four of us some. Maybe he wanted to lace it with cyanide but messed up... hell, I don't know.
 
TobyOne said:
Solid no. I don't doubt that many are distorting Islam but the silence of muslims who don't is deafening. One can only conclude that they approve of the bat **** crazy minority.
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How can silence be deafening?
 
There's no such thing as a religion of peace. All religions are violent. All religions are hate-filled. Some just hide it better than others.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Islam is a violent and militant religion by its very nature.

Whether more modern liberal movements can "tame" it or not remains to be seen. However, the basic character of the religion as it currently stands is pretty much undeniable.

It was born in violence to a violent man, it spread through violence, and it maintains its authority through violence. It pretty much always has.
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Christianity got effectively neutered by secular society telling it that it can't get away with the violence. 500 years ago, Christianity was pretty much the same as modern-day Islam. It's going to take secularism to force Islam to grow up a little bit, just like Christianity was forced to grow up a little bit and stop burning people at the stake and the like.
 
radcen said:
Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

Yes?
No?
Yes and no?
Something else?

Please give some thoughts behind your conclusion.

Bonus question: In your opinion, why did Bush II go out of his way to refer to it as such after 9/11? Do you think he actually believed it? Do you think he was trying to keep people (us and them) calm?
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id vote something else.

islam taught peace and compassion,but shortly after it gained traction muslims were invading europe and the middle east by force.today the vast majority of islam is peacefull.

however there is a portion that is corrupted,who twists the quran and its fllowers,this isnt far from the spanish inquisition,where people were tortured many times to death to convert.in that time catholics deemed torture was necessary,though i dont recall putting people testicles in a vice or burning them alive to save their mortal soul anywhere in the bible.


islam is facing the same thing today.in the end so long as any religion is popular,someone will corrupt it for their own gain.
 
Cephus said:
Christianity got effectively neutered by secular society telling it that it can't get away with the violence. 500 years ago, Christianity was pretty much the same as modern-day Islam. It's going to take secularism to force Islam to grow up a little bit, just like Christianity was forced to grow up a little bit and stop burning people at the stake and the like.
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To be fair, Islam is quite a bit worse than even the most corrupt and misguided elements of Christianity ever were. It is so by design, and has been since its very foundation.

As Gardener pointed out, their holy text includes explicit instructions to either "kill or covert" the whole world, as well as numerous descriptions of acts of violence doled out against both lapsed members of the Muslim faithful and infidels alike by Islam's founding prophet.

Groups like ISIS have not "corrupted" the nature of Islam. To the contrary, it's actually the other way around. Peaceful Muslims are the ones who are not living by the spirit of the original text.
 
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Maybe thats why they sit on their hands while violence is done in their name.


Gathomas88 said:
To be fair, Islam is quite a bit worse than Christianity ever was. It is so by design, and has been since its very foundation.

As Gardener pointed out, their holy text includes explicit instructions to either "kill or covert" the whole world, as well as numerous descriptions of acts of violence doled out against both lapsed members of the Muslim faithful and infidels alike by Islam's founding prophet.

Groups like ISIS have not "corrupted" the nature of Islam. To the contrary, it's actually the other way around. Peaceful Muslims are the ones who are not living by the spirit of the original text.
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Bodhisattva said:
I met a Muslim for the first time last week at a soccer tournament and he asked me if I wanted a coffee... he was going to a cafe' and bought the four of us some. Maybe he wanted to lace it with cyanide but messed up... hell, I don't know.
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The coffee likely would have cream and or sugar. And obesity related illnesses are the leading cause of death in America. He wins.
 
radcen said:
Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

Yes?
No?
Yes and no?
Something else?

Please give some thoughts behind your conclusion.

Bonus question: In your opinion, why did Bush II go out of his way to refer to it as such after 9/11? Do you think he actually believed it? Do you think he was trying to keep people (us and them) calm?
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Yeah; the problme with Islam in that respect, is that it is fostered by sectarian governments in the ME. That's how these violent fundamentalist groups effectively get permission to go these rants. We see it in the extreme of ISIS right now. People by and large however; especially the Chrisitan right who see Islam the way Hitler saw the Jews, forget oh so conviently that this country was started as a secular society for just that very reason. That before our country was founded, sectarianism literally ruled through direct and genocidal war, both in Great Britain and the continent from the middle ages up through the 1998 Northern Ireland Peace Accord. So Christians have absolutely no room to talk about fundamentalist Islam.

The problem gets compounded when secular governments, like Assad's and Hussein's are for all intenents and purposes , set up and guided by western secular forces that are seen by the average people as emperialist interloping: think The British Empire, French occupation - Vietnam and Lebanon and Algeria and then of course comes American commercial interests, which the government labels - national interests... When the natives, of course, pitch a bitch about this kind of thing, they are brutally put down, ala the Shah of Iran, Assad and Hussein; ala el Salvadore, Honduras etc etc. I thnk that Ho chi Mihn's success as a nationalist, beating first the French and then of course The American Giants, bolstered these fundamentalists and guess what? it's working for them! It won't last long because of the way that they operate, but the IRA for one, showed them that this terrorist stuff not only sends a message, but can lead to a(n) (Irish) Free State! So why should they listen to US?

Then of course we come to the plantation of the Israeli - sectarian state / zion. That's another mess, that because of our very heavily one sided policies has dug our hole even deeper over there. I truly fear for Israel. We have ourselves to thank for it, so how many more American lives are going to be poured into this BS before we get smart and just walk away?
 
I have meet many Muslims. Not a single time did one of the 3 above happen. Actually the last one I meet for lunch, bought. Maybe you could make 4) buy lunch.
Nightrider said:
A Muslim meets me for the first time....

He/she has three choices:

1) Convert me.

2) Make me submit (Ie: tax me).

3) Kill me.

I voted no.
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