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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Try to answer this as best as you can. Who is currently beheading children and blowing up planes?
    As I said, Christianity has had the moderating influence of secular society. 500 years ago, it was the Christians doing evil. Now it's the Muslims. Neither are inherently better than the other.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?
    Just as much as Christianity and Judaism are.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Yes?
    No?
    Yes and no?
    Something else?

    Please give some thoughts behind your conclusion.

    Bonus question: In your opinion, why did Bush II go out of his way to refer to it as such after 9/11? Do you think he actually believed it? Do you think he was trying to keep people (us and them) calm?
    If one takes a historical view, Islam has a long way to go to catch up to the violence by mainstream "Christians". Just as one should not judge Christianity by the actions of those who do not understand what the Bible teaches us, we should not judge Islam by the actions of those who do not understand what the Qur'an teaches them.

    I wrote a book once, and as part of the book I had to do quite a bit of research into the Qur'an, the Hadiths, and the Sunna. I am a strong Christian, and while I cannot claim to have even the level of knowledge of Islam that the normal Muslim layman has, I can say that it was a real education to see for myself how so many Muslims have been led astray from the teachings in the Qur'an. As far as I can tell, most of the problem lay in the Hadiths and Sunnas - the writings and sayings of Muslim scholars after the death of Muhammed. The prophet Muhammed stated that nothing is to be written of him or the teachings in the Qur'an after his death, but that is precisely what the Hadiths and Sunnas are. For instance, it was in one the Hadiths by "Bukhari" (again, if I remember correctly) that says if a woman or a black dog walks in front of a man praying to God, then God will not hear his prayers. That is not in the Qur'an, but there are those who claim to be Muslim who follow that Hadith.

    So I compare those who follow the Hadiths and Sunnas to the point where such corrupts their faith to those who claim to be Christian, who follow verses in Deuteronomy to justify acts that Jesus Himself obviously rejected.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Where is the Christian version of ISIS? Where is the Hindu version of Boko Haram? I'll give you the prejudice towards gays, but there is nothing on the scale of what is going on with Islam in terms of torture or massacres. Where you are clearly confused, is the fact that you equate a population that follows a certain religion that commits horrific acts, a la NAZI Germany, to one that does so in the name of said god. Hitler wasn't going around telling people, "God is telling me to kill all the Jews and Gypsies." Or are we forgetting the three million Christian poles that died during the holocaust?

    I have a serious question though for you. Why in your post did you feel the need to bring up events that happened 70-100 year ago, when you know we're just talking about today? I know in your second paragraph you make an attempt (pathetic as it were) to draw an analogy to today, but the fact you had to go back at all, shows just how weak that side of the argument is.

    Finally, most laughably, are you comparing "Christians..... not checking the spread of HIV with contraceptives" to ISIS beheading people in the name of ALLAH? Oh the lengths liberals will go to try and paint the picture that we're all the same and no one is better or worse than the other...
    Why do you keep ignoring the violence in Africa? Groups exactly like ISIS who want to implement the exact same kind of society (except Christian instead of Muslim) are doing the exact same thing. The only difference is that it's a lot of little ones instead of one big one. It's been going on, pretty much nonstop, for at least a century. These are the most devout Christian countries in the world, where they take scripture quite literally and follow it as exactly as possible. Just like fundamentalist Muslims do.

    I don't understand the pathological hatred some people have for Islam. Is it the cultural rivalry that Europe had with the Middle East for so long? Can't you realize that your religions and the worldviews they promote are almost identical? You only spend a moment trying to deny the violence in India, but we can chalk that up to just plain old ignorance. It's sad that you aren't any better than they are. I wish you were. But the facts show that, in a country where religion is unchecked, Christianity is just as brutal and cruel as Islam and Hinduism are. Judaism probably would be, too, since it preaches the same repressive tenants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Yes and no.

    I've never read the actual religious texts, so I don't know about that.

    For some its a religion of peace. For many others it requires violence.

    I think it may be important to remember that for much of Christianity's history, there were extremist christians who acted like extremist islamists today. It's only more recently that it has evolved into a more peaceful religion.
    It has only done so in places that are primarily secular. As I keep pointing out, in countries without a secular basis, most notably southern Africa, there is just as much religious violence from Christianity. Likewise there is a lot of violence in the name of Hinduism in India.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And yet some actually are more peaceful than others. And then theres the political ideologies like communism...
    While I'm hesitant to reduce human behavior to an equation, humans follow pretty reliable algorithms when it comes to how warlike a given civilization is. The Middle East has always been an extremely violent place because the number of humans who live there vastly exceeds accessible resources. Nonetheless, people have continued to live there because it was (1) centrally located along a number of important trade routes and (2) as a result of (1) enjoys an ancient accumulation of "capital investment" disproportionate to being such a comparatively poor region and (3) they were born there and it is what they know. Unlike the United States or Europe, where rival parties often benefited by overcoming their differences, prosperity in the Middle East usually has to come at somebody else's expense. Hence the origins of 150 or so tribes in Iraq alone. Those tribes have always worked together to prosper at another's tribe's expense.

    Even if Islam didn't exist, you would expect the Middle East to be a violent place.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Since 1 in 5 people on this planet affiliate themselves with it, I'm gonna say it's obvious, yeah it's peaceful.

    Unfortunately you've got people who've wanted to use Islam as an excuse to further their own worldly ambitions. You've got people who have plenty of access to guns but little access to knowledge.


    I can go on a Hare Krishna inspired killing rampage, does that make those delightful people selling pencils at the airport violent? Does it make Hare violent? Or is it me using old Hare as a justifier?

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Religion is a man-made and man-run government sitting on top of spiritual ideas, ideas about our place in the universe, and the ideas of what society should be. And different leaders can take the same root ideas to interpret and preach them to others in very different ways while continuing to claim the same umbrella name like "Christianity" or "Islam". Sometimes these different teachings are broken out into formally recognized denominations, sometimes not.

    So the most practical answer is that Islam as an umbrella label for religious practices is nether peaceful nor violent in itself, because it's individual interpretations and practices that make it peaceful or violent.

    Those who would call Islam inherently violent and Christianity inherently peaceful are going a long way to overlooking all the violence the Bible can be interpreted to allow or even encourage, as evidenced by its warping in the past to justify great amounts of violence from the Crusades to the Salem Witch Trials.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    As I said, Christianity has had the moderating influence of secular society. 500 years ago, it was the Christians doing evil. Now it's the Muslims. Neither are inherently better than the other.
    I didn't say one was better. Its very myopic to blame this on secular society or to put Christianity and Islam on the same plane. The fact that you have to go back 500 years is evidence on its face of being held to a different standard.

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