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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    To be fair, Islam is quite a bit worse than even the most corrupt and misguided elements of Christianity ever were. It is so by design, and has been since its very foundation.

    As Gardener pointed out, their holy text includes explicit instructions to either "kill or covert" the whole world, as well as numerous descriptions of acts of violence doled out against both lapsed members of the Muslim faithful and infidels alike by Islam's founding prophet.

    Groups like ISIS have not "corrupted" the nature of Islam. To the contrary, it's actually the other way around. Peaceful Muslims are the ones who are not living by the spirit of the original text.
    Thank you. Finally, someone who gets it!

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

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    Thank you. Finally, someone who gets it!
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

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    You've never listened to Michael Savage?
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

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    Yeah, he has a great meatball recipe!
    He is a meatball.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It's as peaceful as any of its contemporaries like Hinduism, Judaism, or Christianity.

    And the answer to your bonus question is that he didn't want to offend people that we weren't actually in a conflict with. It's the same reason that one of the first parts of the Patriot Act condemns violence against American Muslims. Not that it stopped a huge rise in said violence, even against people from India because violent white Christian (and maybe some Jewish but probably not) Americans didn't know the difference.
    Your lack of knowledge of the Koran, or Islam, is distressing, to say the least.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's no such thing as a religion of peace. All religions are violent. All religions are hate-filled. Some just hide it better than others.
    Thank you for that nonsensical input.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    No religion based on the concept of a war between good and evil can be considered peaceful.


    War is, by definition, the opposite of peace.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    I'm pretty sure the rest of the world didn't think that Christianity was a religion of peace for the first 1200 years.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    id vote something else.

    islam taught peace and compassion,but shortly after it gained traction muslims were invading europe and the middle east by force.today the vast majority of islam is peacefull.

    however there is a portion that is corrupted,who twists the quran and its fllowers,this isnt far from the spanish inquisition,where people were tortured many times to death to convert.in that time catholics deemed torture was necessary,though i dont recall putting people testicles in a vice or burning them alive to save their mortal soul anywhere in the bible.


    islam is facing the same thing today.in the end so long as any religion is popular,someone will corrupt it for their own gain.
    You know, I've heard this claim about how 'some' are distorting the Koran ... but investigation will show that is not true.

    Unlike most books, the Koran contains what appears to be contradictions - peace and war - love and violence. But, when you understand the structure of the Koran, you realize that is nothing more than a sop intended to mislead non-believers.

    Most documents are built in sections that address a specific instance --- the easiest example is Genesis (all about the birth of the world). Thus, if you want to know what Christians think about how the world came to be, you would start with Genesis. (Think of them as chapters about a particular subject).

    The Koran, however, is not built like that ... it is chronological. In other words, that which is written in the first chapter - called a surah - can be changed by a later chapter. The Koran is a document that evolved. This concept is called abrogation - that which is said in a previous surah is overridden by that said later. It is a description of the chronological changes in the thoughts of Mohammed.

    So what, you ask? It becomes important when you read the 'verses of violence' that are being 'misused' by Islamic fundamentalists. The truth is ... they are the latest surahs of the Koran, and as such, represent the law of Islam. Previous discussions of peace have been 'abrogated' by the later surahs.

    Those Muslims who would tell you that they only follow the previous discussions and ignore the later discussions are being untrue to their religion, and as such, are subject to death.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    No religion based on the concept of a war between good and evil can be considered peaceful.


    War is, by definition, the opposite of peace.
    Ehhh... Not so much.

    There is a difference between...

    "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."

    Romans 12:16

    Or...

    "If someone slaps you on one cheek, offer the other cheek also. If someone demands your coat, offer your shirt also."

    Luke 6:29

    And...

    "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

    Quran 9:26

    Or...

    "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

    Quran 5:33

    It's simply an entirely different attitude.

    Christianity teaches the importance of humility, and admonishes the believer to trust in God to deliver justice whenever possible.

    Islam isn't having any of that. Muhammad pretty clearly was in favor of going out and straight up shanking anyone who happened to get in either his way, or the way of the religion he created.

    Hell! The only time we see one of Jesus' Apostles resort to violence in the entire New Testament - Peter cutting the ear off of one of the Sanhedrin's men as they move to arrest Christ - Jesus stops, tells the attacker to drop his weapon, and miraculously reattaches the severed ear to the poor man's head.

    Muhammad, by way of contrast...

    "A man who had drunk wine was brought (before him) and he ordered them (to beat him). So they beat him with what they had in their hands. Some struck him with whips, some with sticks and some with sandals. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) threw some dust on his face."

    Abu Dawud 4477

    Abu Huraira reported that a person from amongst the Muslims came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) while he was in the mosque. He called him saying: Allah's Messenger. I have committed adultery. He (the Holy Prophet) turned away from him, He (again) came round facing him and said to him: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery. He (the Holy Prophet) turned away until he did that four times, and as he testified four times against his own self, Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called him and said: Are you mad? He said: No. He (again) said: Are you married? He said: Yes. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Take him and stone him. Ibn Shihab (one of the narrators) said: One who had heard Jabir b. 'Abdullah saying this informed me thus: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the place of prayer (either that of 'Id or a funeral). When the stones hurt him, he ran away. We caught him in the Harra and stoned him (to death). This hadith has been narrated through another chain of transmitters.

    Book 017, Number 4196:

    Suffice to say, he really wasn't what you'd call a "nice" guy.

    He probably wouldn't have been terribly out of place on a show like Game of Thrones, truth be told. lol
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