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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    Solid no. I don't doubt that many are distorting Islam but the silence of muslims who don't is deafening. One can only conclude that they approve of the bat **** crazy minority.
    How can silence be deafening?
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    There's no such thing as a religion of peace. All religions are violent. All religions are hate-filled. Some just hide it better than others.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Islam is a violent and militant religion by its very nature.

    Whether more modern liberal movements can "tame" it or not remains to be seen. However, the basic character of the religion as it currently stands is pretty much undeniable.

    It was born in violence to a violent man, it spread through violence, and it maintains its authority through violence. It pretty much always has.
    Christianity got effectively neutered by secular society telling it that it can't get away with the violence. 500 years ago, Christianity was pretty much the same as modern-day Islam. It's going to take secularism to force Islam to grow up a little bit, just like Christianity was forced to grow up a little bit and stop burning people at the stake and the like.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Yes?
    No?
    Yes and no?
    Something else?

    Please give some thoughts behind your conclusion.

    Bonus question: In your opinion, why did Bush II go out of his way to refer to it as such after 9/11? Do you think he actually believed it? Do you think he was trying to keep people (us and them) calm?
    id vote something else.

    islam taught peace and compassion,but shortly after it gained traction muslims were invading europe and the middle east by force.today the vast majority of islam is peacefull.

    however there is a portion that is corrupted,who twists the quran and its fllowers,this isnt far from the spanish inquisition,where people were tortured many times to death to convert.in that time catholics deemed torture was necessary,though i dont recall putting people testicles in a vice or burning them alive to save their mortal soul anywhere in the bible.


    islam is facing the same thing today.in the end so long as any religion is popular,someone will corrupt it for their own gain.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Christianity got effectively neutered by secular society telling it that it can't get away with the violence. 500 years ago, Christianity was pretty much the same as modern-day Islam. It's going to take secularism to force Islam to grow up a little bit, just like Christianity was forced to grow up a little bit and stop burning people at the stake and the like.
    To be fair, Islam is quite a bit worse than even the most corrupt and misguided elements of Christianity ever were. It is so by design, and has been since its very foundation.

    As Gardener pointed out, their holy text includes explicit instructions to either "kill or covert" the whole world, as well as numerous descriptions of acts of violence doled out against both lapsed members of the Muslim faithful and infidels alike by Islam's founding prophet.

    Groups like ISIS have not "corrupted" the nature of Islam. To the contrary, it's actually the other way around. Peaceful Muslims are the ones who are not living by the spirit of the original text.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Maybe thats why they sit on their hands while violence is done in their name.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    To be fair, Islam is quite a bit worse than Christianity ever was. It is so by design, and has been since its very foundation.

    As Gardener pointed out, their holy text includes explicit instructions to either "kill or covert" the whole world, as well as numerous descriptions of acts of violence doled out against both lapsed members of the Muslim faithful and infidels alike by Islam's founding prophet.

    Groups like ISIS have not "corrupted" the nature of Islam. To the contrary, it's actually the other way around. Peaceful Muslims are the ones who are not living by the spirit of the original text.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I met a Muslim for the first time last week at a soccer tournament and he asked me if I wanted a coffee... he was going to a cafe' and bought the four of us some. Maybe he wanted to lace it with cyanide but messed up... hell, I don't know.
    The coffee likely would have cream and or sugar. And obesity related illnesses are the leading cause of death in America. He wins.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's no such thing as a religion of peace. All religions are violent. All religions are hate-filled. Some just hide it better than others.
    Almost no religion is violent. Assholes use religion to exercise violence. There is a difference.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Yes?
    No?
    Yes and no?
    Something else?

    Please give some thoughts behind your conclusion.

    Bonus question: In your opinion, why did Bush II go out of his way to refer to it as such after 9/11? Do you think he actually believed it? Do you think he was trying to keep people (us and them) calm?
    Yeah; the problme with Islam in that respect, is that it is fostered by sectarian governments in the ME. That's how these violent fundamentalist groups effectively get permission to go these rants. We see it in the extreme of ISIS right now. People by and large however; especially the Chrisitan right who see Islam the way Hitler saw the Jews, forget oh so conviently that this country was started as a secular society for just that very reason. That before our country was founded, sectarianism literally ruled through direct and genocidal war, both in Great Britain and the continent from the middle ages up through the 1998 Northern Ireland Peace Accord. So Christians have absolutely no room to talk about fundamentalist Islam.

    The problem gets compounded when secular governments, like Assad's and Hussein's are for all intenents and purposes , set up and guided by western secular forces that are seen by the average people as emperialist interloping: think The British Empire, French occupation - Vietnam and Lebanon and Algeria and then of course comes American commercial interests, which the government labels - national interests... When the natives, of course, pitch a bitch about this kind of thing, they are brutally put down, ala the Shah of Iran, Assad and Hussein; ala el Salvadore, Honduras etc etc. I thnk that Ho chi Mihn's success as a nationalist, beating first the French and then of course The American Giants, bolstered these fundamentalists and guess what? it's working for them! It won't last long because of the way that they operate, but the IRA for one, showed them that this terrorist stuff not only sends a message, but can lead to a(n) (Irish) Free State! So why should they listen to US?

    Then of course we come to the plantation of the Israeli - sectarian state / zion. That's another mess, that because of our very heavily one sided policies has dug our hole even deeper over there. I truly fear for Israel. We have ourselves to thank for it, so how many more American lives are going to be poured into this BS before we get smart and just walk away?
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    I have meet many Muslims. Not a single time did one of the 3 above happen. Actually the last one I meet for lunch, bought. Maybe you could make 4) buy lunch.
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    A Muslim meets me for the first time....

    He/she has three choices:

    1) Convert me.

    2) Make me submit (Ie: tax me).

    3) Kill me.

    I voted no.
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