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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    A handful of specific incidents does not even remotely equal a continuous mandate.
    Oh, there's much more then a handful. Did you note that god ordered them to kill the women and children, yes INFANTS and all livestock. Very Nice.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    There only a few "religions of peace". Some sects of Buddhism, Jainism, a minority of Christianity - basically the peace Churches... these are about the only "religions of peace" out there. The problem with Islam is its your basic religion of law combined with a violent culture.
    Define religion of peace.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Although non violence is certainly a religious principle, there is no such thing as a religion that advocates absolute non violence. The act of eating requires violence to some sort of living thing.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Yes?
    No?
    Yes and no?
    Something else?

    Please give some thoughts behind your conclusion.

    Bonus question: In your opinion, why did Bush II go out of his way to refer to it as such after 9/11? Do you think he actually believed it? Do you think he was trying to keep people (us and them) calm?
    By "it", I assume you're referring to Islam. What exactly did GWB call it? A religion of peace/peaceful religion? What?
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    There only a few "religions of peace". Some sects of Buddhism, Jainism, a minority of Christianity - basically the peace Churches... these are about the only "religions of peace" out there. The problem with Islam is its your basic religion of law combined with a violent culture.
    Christianity was like that during the Mosaic period. Just read the books of Joshua thru Isaiah for evidence. According to the Bible, early on after the days of Moses and until the late 600 BC, the Israelites were constantly at war with someone in the name of God (or rather because He said so for land) or because another nation decided to war against them (again, for land). Throughout Old Testament times there were ritual laws for damned near everything - cleanliness, prayer, marriage, child birth, entering God's holy temple, etc., etc., you name it there was a law and/or ritual for it. And in some cases if you disobeyed the law, it could be fatal for you (i.e., stoning and I don't mean the kind that's been legalized in Colorado either).

    Islam still follows many of the Old Testament rituals and/or tenants. In many ways it is a backwards religion. Nonetheless, it is a peaceful religion at its core just as is Christianity. The problem is men (and women) have subverted the Muslim religion much as early Roman Catholic Priests once subverted Christianity, i.e., the Crusaded.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Christianity was like that during the Mosaic period.
    That would be Judaism, not Christianity.

    Those events took place before Christ was even born.

    Nonetheless, it is a peaceful religion at its core just as is Christianity.
    Going by the strict word of the Quran, this is only true when dealing with other Muslims, or groups which have agreed to "submit" to them.

    The problem is men (and women) have subverted the Muslim religion much as early Roman Catholic Priests once subverted Christianity, i.e., the Crusaded.
    Frankly, I would argue that the Crusades weren't even necessarily wrong. They were a counter-attack against Muslim aggression in the Middle East, launched with the intention of aiding Christians who were at risk of conquest or enslavement.

    They simply happened to get muddled down with a lot of secular greed, politics, and petty bigotry that sent the whole thing slowly but surely spiraling out of control.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Define religion of peace.
    A religion where non-violence, even in self defense, is a tenant of that religion. For example, followers of Jainism won't even eat a root vegetable because the harvest of it kills the plant.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    And you don't?
    Nope. Then again, I don't think that an imaginary friend in the sky likes me better than they like other people with other imaginary friends. That's idiotic.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nope. Then again, I don't think that an imaginary friend in the sky likes me better than they like other people with other imaginary friends. That's idiotic.
    *Whoosh!* But, ok, carry on.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    That would be Judaism, not Christianity.

    Those events took place before Christ was even born.
    True on both counts. However, New Testament teachings often refer back to Old Testament law as handed down by Moses when informing or otherwise instructing new converts that they were no longer bound by "the law". In that, Judaism is closely linked to Christianity. To many, there is no distinction as to the genesis of the Christian faith although the origin of the Christianity began with the birth and subsequent teachings of Christ.

    Going by the strict word of the Quran, this is only true when dealing with other Muslims, or groups which have agreed to "submit" to them.
    I would disagree with you somewhat here. The Quran speaks of peace for believes in God and identifies those believers as "Surely, the Believers (Muslims), and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah (God/Jehovah) and the Last Day and does good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve". Now, I would agree that the Quran asks Muslims to "separate themselves from unbelievers" and to "do away with those who would not make a treaty with you", but doesn't Christianity if not nations who practice the Christian faith conduct themselves in much the same way?

    Christians are to witness to non-believers and "be not of the world". America has aligned itself with Israel and has pledged to defend them against any aggressor. This debate could continue in the religious forum if you wish, but from my readings of both Holy writings we conduct ourselves in similar fashions. The biggest difference is Christianity allows the unsaved and unbelievers to come to God and Christ in their on way in their own time. The only string being repentance. Islam...there's still a lot of legalism...conformity...that comes with it.[/quote]

    Frankly, I would argue that the Crusades weren't even necessarily wrong. They were a counter-attack against Muslim aggression in the Middle East, launched with the intention of aiding Christians who were at risk of conquest or enslavement.

    They simply happened to get muddled down with a lot of secular greed, politics, and petty bigotry that sent the whole thing slowly but surely spiraling out of control.
    Can't argue with you on this one.
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