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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    We're not likely going to be nuking anymore cities, or firebombing entire civilian populations anymore. I think that that was not a sign of strength, was recognised by several of the leaders of those crimes as war crimes, and I'm pretty sure (hopeful anyway) that those lessons have been learned. Containment would have been preferred for these people, and Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad did a fair job of it, until that is, they were removed.

    I don't know why anyone would think decisions to bomb enemy cities during WWII were intended as a "sign of strength." Somehow I got the odd notion their purpose was to help defeat the enemy. The ability to send six or eight hundred bombers over a city in a single raid obviously did demonstrate the military strength of the U.S. and Britain. But if there's any evidence that was its usual purpose--or even that it ever was an important purpose--you haven't offered it.

    Obviously you think actions like that were war crimes--you call them that. But who are the several "leaders of those crimes" you claim recognized them as crimes? It's clear neither Roosevelt or Churchill ever recognized any such thing.

    What "lessons" are you claiming have been learned? And by whom? Your moral concern does not seem to reach the several hundred thousand Iraqis Saddam Hussein had slaughtered in various ways who were found in mass graves all over Iraq. You would have been just fine with letting that Arab version of the Cambodian killing fields go on indefinitely, and yet you glibly slander the United States as the perpetrator of war crimes. Did you learn your U.S. "history" from Howard Zinn, or some other America-hating Red?

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, but let Christians tell it.
    All religious groups think they're better than everyone else. It's not limited to Christians.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    All religious groups think they're better than everyone else. It's not limited to Christians.
    And you don't?
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't know why anyone would think decisions to bomb enemy cities during WWII were intended as a "sign of strength." Somehow I got the odd notion their purpose was to help defeat the enemy. The ability to send six or eight hundred bombers over a city in a single raid obviously did demonstrate the military strength of the U.S. and Britain. But if there's any evidence that was its usual purpose--or even that it ever was an important purpose--you haven't offered it.

    Obviously you think actions like that were war crimes--you call them that. But who are the several "leaders of those crimes" you claim recognized them as crimes? It's clear neither Roosevelt or Churchill ever recognized any such thing.

    What "lessons" are you claiming have been learned? And by whom? Your moral concern does not seem to reach the several hundred thousand Iraqis Saddam Hussein had slaughtered in various ways who were found in mass graves all over Iraq. You would have been just fine with letting that Arab version of the Cambodian killing fields go on indefinitely, and yet you glibly slander the United States as the perpetrator of war crimes. Did you learn your U.S. "history" from Howard Zinn, or some other America-hating Red?
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    Proportionality should be a guideline in war. Killing 50% to 90% of the people of 67 Japanese cities and then bombing them with two nuclear bombs is not proportional, in the minds of some people, to the objectives we were trying to achieve.
    LeMay said, "If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals." And I think he's right. He, and I'd say I, were behaving as war criminals. LeMay recognized that what he was doing would be thought immoral if his side had lost. But what makes it immoral if you lose and not immoral if you win?

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    General (and later president) Dwight Eisenhower – then Supreme Commander of all Allied Forces, and the officer who created most of America’s WWII military plans for Europe and Japan – said:

    The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debat...a_and_Nagasaki


    Protocol 1, 1977, is when it was acknowledged that lessons had been learned, from both WW11 and Vietnam.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    thereligionofpeace.com

    Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace

    2014.09.09 (Karachi, Pakistan) - - - Sectarian Jihadis shoot a blind man and his nephew to death.
    2014.09.08 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - A Dozen people are blown to bits by a Shahid car bomber.
    2014.09.08 (Dhuluieh, Iraq) - - - - Islamic State members pump machine-gun fire and a bomb into a market, killing at least Seventeen.
    2014.09.07 (Sargodha, Pakistan) - Three people lose their lives when Religion of Peace rivals fire into a Sufi shrine.
    2014.09.06 (Arsal, Lebanon) - - - - Another captive is Beheaded by caliphate terrorists.
    2014.09.05 (Rawalpindi, Pakistan) - A female Polio worker is shot to death in her home by suspected fundamentalists.


    Weekly Jihad Report
    Aug 30 - Sep 05

    Jihad Attacks: : : 50
    Allah Akbars*: : : 7
    Dead Bodies:: : : 640

    Critically Injured: : 869
    *Suicide Attacks


    Monthly Jihad Report
    August, 2014

    Jihad Attacks: : : 222
    Countries:: : : : : 27
    Allah Akbars: : :: 24 (Suicide bombings)
    Dead Bodies: : : 4573

    Critically Injured: 2287

    Last 30 Days Only. NAME of Islam Only.
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks


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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Then you've never read some of the religious books, they are filled with violence, sanctioned by and demanded by the gods.
    Yet religious war is not a mandate for any religion but Islam.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    I don't think Islam is a religion of peace.

    One should compare Mohammed to Jesus Christ. Islam was founded by the prophet Mohammed. Here are some fun facts:

    Mohammed, who never knew his father, was sexually violated (sodomized) as a youth.
    * He held a grudge against everyone and took up the vocation as a slave trader.
    * He made his money by buying and selling humans of all ages and race.
    * Young strong slaves made good money for Mohammed. He sold young girls for sexual exploitation in Harems.
    * Young male slaves were castrated and used for housework. Old and infirm were cheap and expendable.
    * When they could no longer work they were killed off like old dogs.
    * This was Mohammed’s business. This was how the false and heinous prophet-to-be made his money.
    * This was the barbaric way of life that he was determined to preserve from the threat of Christianity.
    * Although illiterate, he was a shrewd businessman who married his boss, an rich widow who was older than him by many years.
    * He despised her with a vengeance. But when she died, he inherited all her wealth.
    * He went on to have 13 wives and many concubines, whom he treated as personal property.
    * Mohammed's youngest wife Ayesha, was only 6 years old when he engaged her and 9 years old when he married her and consummated their ‘marriage’!
    * He bought her from her parents place because she was beautiful even as a child.
    * He clearly had a voracious sexual appetite and was well known to be promiscuous.
    * His life revolved around his harem, his slaves, battles and fooling people which his talk of god and satan.
    * He always carried a knife or a sword. He killed many of his enemies by his own hand (a la Zarqawi who along with the accursed Mohammed is enjoying the Houris in Jan’aat - the Muslim heaven).
    Mohammed personally abused, castrated, flogged and killed rebellious slaves.
    * Through his brigandage, he became very rich and influential.
    * His ideals of human rights extended only to his own faithful followers of Islamic brotherhood (Ummah).
    * All infidels or non-Muslims were fair game for conquest or enslavement.
    * He began to claim he was in direct personal contact with some god.
    * There are good and bad persons in every society. Like Hitler, Mohammed courted those who were bad and evil like him.
    * He commanded his faithful followers and associates to believe him without questioning his quthority.
    * Mohammed put his evil band made up of Ali, Umar and the like in control of his society.
    * He dictated his God's words, whom he called Allah, and ordered his followers to memorize these words.
    * He borrowed some Jewish and Christian doctrines and combined them with his brand of depravity.
    * It was a pick and mix of the good with the bad and he called it Islam.
    * Islam means submission of Kafirs to the will of the Muslims of women to the will of their fathers, husbands sons and sons-in-law.
    * It is clear today for all to see and experience that evil that Islam represents.
    * All Islamic women, our mothers and sisters, live a life of extreme fear.
    * He called it a new religion and proclaimed himself god's prophet.
    * He nominated one deity, Allah, as his god, emphasizing Allah as the one true god(sic).
    History of Jihad

    Now Christ got mad and overturned some tables of the moneychangers outside the temple.
    But otherwise, was peaceful.

    Which religion is more peaceful?
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Yet religious war is not a mandate for any religion but Islam.
    But one of so many examples in the Christian bible.

    1Samuel 15:3;

    Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What ?
    Yep; that's exactly right. Read your history.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But one of so many examples in the Christian bible.

    1Samuel 15:3;

    Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"
    A handful of specific incidents does not even remotely equal a continuous mandate.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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