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Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 11.4%

  • No

    Votes: 73 55.3%

  • Yes and no

    Votes: 28 21.2%

  • Something else

    Votes: 16 12.1%
  • Total voters
    132
radcen said:
Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

Yes?
No?
Yes and no?
Something else?

Please give some thoughts behind your conclusion.

Bonus question: In your opinion, why did Bush II go out of his way to refer to it as such after 9/11? Do you think he actually believed it? Do you think he was trying to keep people (us and them) calm?
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It's a religion. Like any other religion, it can be used for either peace or war.
 
Most Muslims are certainly peaceful but Islam is not a religion of peace. In general none of the Abrahamic religions are religions of peace. Certain sects, such as Quakers, are exceptions. Certain versions of Buddhism are religions of peace. Jainism is a religion of peace.
 
Gardener said:
Islam was begun by a warlord who murdered people and the religion spread by violent, aggressive conquest. It gives instructions to its followers to war against other people until they reign supreme. It directs followers on decapitating people. It says its followers can lie to non Muslims. It actually names other religions which it demeans.

The religion, itself, is far from peaceful.

Now, there are certainly peaceful Muslims who don't go for any of that stuff, and who manage to look for the better things in Islam. There are a great many of them, but unfortunately, those who follow the violent dictates seem to be on the rise, and their first targets are always those who ARE peaceful -- especially in regards to being peaceful towards non Muslims.
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Abraham was the same way, y'know. :lamo
 
OrphanSlug said:
For the last time, there are a whole lot more Muslims about than the "2.5+ million in the US." Your efforts to reduce the playing field are a joke, come up with a better argument that Islam is a religion of peace or admit you cannot craft such an argument. It is really very simple.
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In an effort to provide an explanation once again, I am using the argument you are making and testing the validity of your claim. You claim Islam is inherently violent. This means items such as geography, government and economics are all irrelevant because if it is inherently violent it means it cannot exist without violence. Im using the 2.5+ millions of Muslims in the US to demonstrate your claim cannot be true because they are not engaged in some form of widespread violence based on Islam.

You do not like it that your argument is baseless and has been proven false. Period.
 
BrewerBob said:
Most Muslims are certainly peaceful but Islam is not a religion of peace. In general none of the Abrahamic religions are religions of peace. Certain sects, such as Quakers, are exceptions. Certain versions of Buddhism are religions of peace. Jainism is a religion of peace.
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If the majority members of a group are non violent then you cannot in the same breath claim it is not an organization of peace.
 
Brischera said:
My question never got answered and it was simply dodged as people are dodging it here as well.

You cannot claim Islam is inherently violent and ignore Muslims in the US cause the least amount of terrorist attacks. In fact, most of our terrorist attacks come from non muslim caucasians yet I dont see you claiming caucasians are inherently terrorists.
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Yes, but white people are never at fault for any of their crimes. Or, that's the logic of most racists.
 
Brischera said:
In an effort to provide an explanation once again, I am using the argument you are making and testing the validity of your claim. You claim Islam is inherently violent. This means items such as geography, government and economics are all irrelevant because if it is inherently violent it means it cannot exist without violence. Im using the 2.5+ millions of Muslims in the US to demonstrate your claim cannot be true because they are not engaged in some form of widespread violence based on Islam.

You do not like it that your argument is baseless and has been proven false. Period.
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Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

John Adams
 
radcen said:
How are you counting terrorist attacks? Not all of "our" terrorist attacks happened on our soil. Not by a long shot.
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Im talking about terrorist attacks here in the continental US. The majority of the attacks are not from Muslims yet there are over 2.5 million Muslims in the US right now. It is indisputable proof against the claim Islam is inherently violent because if that were true we would have a lot more attacks from Muslims when the majority of attacks are from non Muslims and caucasian.

Why dont you claim caucasians are inherently violent?
 
DDD said:
I am all for banning or abolishing any religious roots, including Christianism, Judaism, etc. How though, remains a good question.
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In a society of laws, not of man, this cannot happen. It must only happen by force. I'd opt for people to be religious and take the chance of extremism to happen, than to ban all religions forcibly to prevent extremism from happening.
 
You might as well try to argue that pit bulls are not dangerous because the one down the street from you has never bitten. You are intentionally reducing the sampling size in order to ignore the wider picture. You are also ignoring the likes of Louis Farrakhan who is calling for an army to murder white people. If you think that is peaceful, you have some very strange notions as to what constitutes peace.
 
Brischera said:
In an effort to provide an explanation once again, I am using the argument you are making and testing the validity of your claim. You claim Islam is inherently violent. This means items such as geography, government and economics are all irrelevant because if it is inherently violent it means it cannot exist without violence. Im using the 2.5+ millions of Muslims in the US to demonstrate your claim cannot be true because they are not engaged in some form of widespread violence based on Islam.

You do not like it that your argument is baseless and has been proven false. Period.
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No, again... I claim Islam is not a religion of peace (as that is what this thread is about.) If you want to open a thread about Islam only in the US, then do so. If you want to open a thread about Islam in the US in comparison to elsewhere in the world, then do so. If you want to open a thread about Islam in comparison to other systems of belief, then do so. You using the "2.5+ millions of Mulsims in the US" does not alleviate all of Islam, nor is it ample evidence that Islam is about peace.

You have given us no such argument that Islam can be looked at as a religion of peace. On your opposition's side of the fence is the word of the Quran itself, and plenty of historical facts across many governments and nations that tell us Islam is anything but about peace.
 
Brischera said:
If the majority members of a group are non violent then you cannot in the same breath claim it is not an organization of peace.
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Sure I can. The texts upon which they are based are not peaceful. The god of Abraham, as depicted in their religious texts, is a horrible, evil deity. Just because people ignore the worst parts of their religion does not make their religion good. It might make the PEOPLE good, but not the religion.
 
Brischera said:
Im talking about terrorist attacks here in the continental US. The majority of the attacks are not from Muslims yet there are over 2.5 million Muslims in the US right now. It is indisputable proof against the claim Islam is inherently violent because if that were true we would have a lot more attacks from Muslims when the majority of attacks are from non Muslims and caucasian.

Why dont you claim caucasians are inherently violent?
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You confirm that you're cherry picking. I thought as much.

Indisputable proof, my arse. :roll:

At least you have the backbone to admit you're cherry picking. Gotta give kudos for that. Too many people wouldn't.
 
Gardener said:
You might as well try to argue that pit bulls are not dangerous because the one down the street from you has never bitten. You are intentionally reducing the sampling size in order to ignore the wider picture. You are also ignoring the likes of Louis Farrakhan who is calling for an army to murder white people. If you think that is peaceful, you have some very strange notions as to what constitutes peace.
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Pit bulls are not dangerous. It's depends on their owner and how well they're trained. That's a swing and a miss.

Secondly, the KKK routinely calls for blacks to be segregated, to not marry whites, to be lynched. Shall all white people be judged by the statements of the KKK or the Westboro Baptists?
 
OrphanSlug said:
No, again... I claim Islam is not a religion of peace (as that is what this thread is about.) If you want to open a thread about Islam only in the US, then do so. If you want to open a thread about Islam in the US in comparison to elsewhere in the world, then do so. If you want to open a thread about Islam in comparison to other systems of belief, then do so. You using the "2.5+ millions of Mulsims in the US" does not alleviate all of Islam, nor is it ample evidence that Islam is about peace.

You have given us no such argument that Islam can be looked at as a religion of peace. On your opposition's side of the fence is the word of the Quran itself, and plenty of historical facts across many governments and nations that tell us Islam is anything but about peace.
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So what do many governments and nations tell us about Islam?
 
radcen said:
You confirm that you're cherry picking. I thought as much.

Indisputable proof, my arse. :roll:

At least you have the backbone to admit you're cherry picking. Gotta give kudos for that. Too many people wouldn't.
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How is it cherry picking to use the parameters of your own argument?
 
BrewerBob said:
Sure I can. The texts upon which they are based are not peaceful. The god of Abraham, as depicted in their religious texts, is a horrible, evil deity. Just because people ignore the worst parts of their religion does not make their religion good. It might make the PEOPLE good, but not the religion.
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Oh thank GOD!! All this time people have argued over interpretations but now here you are to disabuse the entire world of such a notion.
 
OrphanSlug said:
No, again... I claim Islam is not a religion of peace (as that is what this thread is about.) If you want to open a thread about Islam only in the US, then do so. If you want to open a thread about Islam in the US in comparison to elsewhere in the world, then do so. If you want to open a thread about Islam in comparison to other systems of belief, then do so. You using the "2.5+ millions of Mulsims in the US" does not alleviate all of Islam, nor is it ample evidence that Islam is about peace.

You have given us no such argument that Islam can be looked at as a religion of peace. On your opposition's side of the fence is the word of the Quran itself, and plenty of historical facts across many governments and nations that tell us Islam is anything but about peace.
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This is just hilarious:

"No, again... I claim Islam is not a religion of peace (as that is what this thread is about.)"

If Islam is not a religion of peace then you need to explain the lack of violence from the 2.5+ millions of Muslims in the US right now. You cannot make a universal claim then whine like a little kid when it is shown why your universal claim fails.
 
Brischera said:
Oh thank GOD!! All this time people have argued over interpretations but now here you are to disabuse the entire world of such a notion.
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Glad I could be of assistance. :)
 
Brischera said:
This is just hilarious:

"No, again... I claim Islam is not a religion of peace (as that is what this thread is about.)"

If Islam is not a religion of peace then you need to explain the lack of violence from the 2.5+ millions of Muslims in the US right now. You cannot make a universal claim then whine like a little kid when it is shown why your universal claim fails.
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But you have not shown a thing, all you did was reduce the playing field from roughly 1.7 Billion people around the globe (and many more historically speaking) to 2.5 million and only in the US. Which is arguable on so many levels.
 
OrphanSlug said:
That Islam is about anything but peace.
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It's as peaceful as any other religion, or a lack of one.

Canada doesn't have an issue with Islam. Most countries don't. Extremism is a separate issue.
 
OrphanSlug said:
But you have not shown a thing, all you did was reduce the playing field from roughly 1.7 Billion people around the globe (and many more historically speaking) to 2.5 million and only in the US. Which is arguable on so many levels.
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I have not "reduced" anything. Your argument has been "Islam is not a religion of peace." If that is true.....nevermind....Ive explained it and you keep dodging so Im not wasting any more time on it with you.

Thanks for your feedback.
 
le bouffon said:
It's as peaceful as any other religion, or a lack of one.

Canada doesn't have an issue with Islam. Most countries don't. Extremism is a separate issue.
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So you say, others may not agree. And I am not making a comparison between Islam and other religions, but I would agree with you in sentiment.
 
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