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Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 11.4%

  • No

    Votes: 73 55.3%

  • Yes and no

    Votes: 28 21.2%

  • Something else

    Votes: 16 12.1%
  • Total voters
    132
radcen said:
What were the Crusades a response to?

Not saying they were better or worse, but if we're going to reach waaaaaaay back into history for comparisons let's do it right.
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The first crusade started when the emperor of the Byzantines appealed to pope urban the second for troops from Western Europe in order to take back conquered territory from the saljuk Turks.
 
Carjosse said:
Well for the 1st century, it was peace and stability, in that they were not constantly pillaged by a raiding faction every few years. Killing someone for not paying their taxes was pretty standard at the time even outside the Islamic empire.
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It may have been, but it was also AFTER Islamic armies had swept across the lands and forcibly subjugated the masses.
 
radcen said:
It could be said that since the middle ages (14 century +/-, as western society counts years) that the middle east was far ahead of Europe, and that Europe and western society has progressed while the middle east has regressed.
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A major portion of the Middle East had been under the control of the Ottoman Empire.

And unlike most of europe l, the Ottoman Empire never expierenced the effects of the renaissance, the enlightenment, the reformation, or the industrial revolution.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
A major portion of the Middle East had been under the control of the Ottoman Empire.

And unlike most of europe l, the Ottoman Empire never expierenced the effects of the renaissance, the enlightenment, the reformation, or the industrial revolution.
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It seems to me that the primary reason for this stagnation would be Islam...actually religion in general. The VAST majority of the progress and technology has occurred over the last 200 years, mostly due to the limits placed on religion in the country that started both the industrial revolution and the digital revolution.
Europe accepted these changes and befitted from them...the Middle East did not and instead held even more tightly to religion. Allah has stifled the region ever since. Now Allah kills it's own followers and silences any that take issue.
 
radcen said:
It may have been, but it was also AFTER Islamic armies had swept across the lands and forcibly subjugated the masses.
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The penalty for not paying your taxes was probably the same in the Christian and Jewish parts before the Muslims came, the Muslims brought stable governance and unity, something that region lacked.
 
tecoyah said:
It seems to me that the primary reason for this stagnation would be Islam...actually religion in general. The VAST majority of the progress and technology has occurred over the last 200 years, mostly due to the limits placed on religion in the country that started both the industrial revolution and the digital revolution.
Europe accepted these changes and befitted from them...the Middle East did not and instead held even more tightly to religion. Allah has stifled the region ever since. Now Allah kills it's own followers and silences any that take issue.
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Have you seen the Middle East? It is mostly a sparsely populated desert, please tell me how they could have taken advantage of the industrial revolution with literally no resources nor the population to fuel it.
 
Carjosse said:
The penalty for not paying your taxes was probably the same in the Christian and Jewish parts before the Muslims came, the Muslims brought stable governance and unity, something that region lacked.
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Ok, I get it... LALALALALALALALALA WHAT HAPPENED PRIOR DIDN'T HAPPEN LALALALALALALALALALA.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Islam is a violent and militant religion by its very nature.
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I disagree with that! Islam comes from a book, and as far as I know a book by itself has never killed anybody!
Did you hear this story of these two would-be djihadists who were caught at the Turkish border, ready to join ISIL; while searching them, the turkish police did not find a single copy of the Coran in their backpack, instead they found the book "Islam for dummies"!
I strongly believe that this true event says half of the story of an allegedly violent Islam! The other half is that Islam is egregiously and shamlessly instrumentalized by the rulers of the middle east just to maintain their vested interests!
pinheads on the one side, politics on the other together make for a violent islam
 
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Carjosse said:
Have you seen the Middle East? It is mostly a sparsely populated desert, please tell me how they could have taken advantage of the industrial revolution with literally no resources nor the population to fuel it.
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Had they even tried to befriend the western world it is likely they would have been embraced. Had they even paid enough attention to know there were a couple world wars and then joined in the effort...things would be extremely different for that region. As for resources...I seriously hope you are kidding.
 
tecoyah said:
Had they even tried to befriend the western world it is likely they would have been embraced. Had they even paid enough attention to know there were a couple world wars and then joined in the effort...things would be extremely different for that region. As for resources...I seriously hope you are kidding.
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Because it isn't like they're not pumping black gold out of the ground by the millions of barrels every day or anything...
 
Cephus said:
Because it isn't like they're not pumping black gold out of the ground by the millions of barrels every day or anything...
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Forget about oil, there is a dire water crisis looming in the region which together with those extreme temperatures that are increasingly common currency that will hit the denizens of the whole region very hard!
 
t4pi0k4 said:
Forget about oil, there is a dire water crisis looming in the region which together with those extreme temperatures that are increasingly common currency that will hit the denizens of the whole region very hard!
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You have to remember, these are the same people who are importing *SAND* from India to make concrete. They're the ones building artificial islands and massive hotels and trying to get a massive tourist trade, at least in some regions. Importing water shouldn't be a problem if they need to. Building desalination plants shouldn't be a problem if they need to, all of them except Iraq have coastlines. But they're wasting their time shooting each other over religion. What a bunch of idiots.
 
radcen said:
Ok, I get it... LALALALALALALALALA WHAT HAPPENED PRIOR DIDN'T HAPPEN LALALALALALALALALALA.
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An empire in the 1st century AD conquered land! How barbaric of them.
 
t4pi0k4 said:
I disagree with that! Islam comes from a book, and as far as I know a book by itself has never killed anybody!
Did you hear this story of these two would-be djihadists who were caught at the Turkish border, ready to join ISIL; while searching them, the turkish police did not find a single copy of the Coran in their backpack, instead they found the book "Islam for dummies"!
I strongly believe that this true event says half of the story of an allegedly violent Islam! The other half is that Islam is egregiously and shamlessly instrumentalized by the rulers of the middle east just to maintain their vested interests!
pinheads on the one side, politics on the other together make for a violent islam
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A question for you. Is it the obvious and powerful violence seen in the name of Islam that drew in the "Pinheads", or is it the ignorance of what the Qu'ran actually says?

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If it is the Ignorance...why are there so damn many ignorant Muslims?
 
tecoyah said:
Had they even tried to befriend the western world it is likely they would have been embraced. Had they even paid enough attention to know there were a couple world wars and then joined in the effort...things would be extremely different for that region. As for resources...I seriously hope you are kidding.
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Well most of it was colonized also if you knew about the World Wars you would know that Muslims played a large part in the fighting, ever heard of T.E. Lawrence and the Mesopotamia campaign? In World War II the land that later became Israel and other colonies were promised to several different populations if they fought for the British, that is part of the controversy around Israel's existence.
 
tecoyah said:
A question for you. Is it the obvious and powerful violence seen in the name of Islam that drew in the "Pinheads", or is it the ignorance of what the Qu'ran actually says?

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If it is the Ignorance...why are there so damn many ignorant Muslims?
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it would take a wall of a post to answer you!

but in short i will say that the foot soldiers who wage war today against unarmed civilians in order to establish a califate are of the same ilk that those who did the same back into history: just disenfrenchized ruthless thugs who use Islam as a veneer to masquerade their barbarity!

And indeed they do not derive their courage thanks to their would-be "superior" faith in God, on the contrary their very God is called Captagon, a type of amphetamine that makes them feel as if they were supermen! They must take like a dozen pills on a daily basis, and for good reasons, because when on dope they avoid these inevitable and certainly devastating slips into self-consciousness about what kind of scum they have become!

However I believe it is wrong to think that ignorance is mostly a muslim thing!

On the contrary ignorance is all over the place on earth: Just take a look at all those gullible people who embrace evangelism!
This "branch" of christianism is in the sole business of fleecing its followers, and it takes its greatest toll in Africa!
But even on US soil up until 2009 physicians were killed in the name of the bible!

Besides even Judaism is increasingly violent if you take some time to ponder the israeli situation! These Jewish orthodox are a case in point!

I believe that he main problem is that all these violent people are failing over and over again to embrace modernity, and as they understand that we are trying to foist it on them, they resort to violence, there only recourse to keep modernity at bay!

That's all there is to it!
 
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tecoyah said:
If Islam is a peaceful religion....I am a one armed Octopus with fairy wings.
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I have always wanted to fly... you are so lucky!
 
Here is what Winston Churchill had to say about Muslims. Perhaps its why Obama hates Churchill?

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die: but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.[5]:248–250 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_River_War#Content
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US Conservative said:
Here is what Winston Churchill had to say about Muslims. Perhaps its why Obama hates Churchill?
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This is the best and most apt part:

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die: but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
 
Bodhisattva said:
This is the best and most apt part:

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die: but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
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I think he nailed it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn its just another reason Obama loathes Churchill.
 
US Conservative said:
I think he nailed it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn its just another reason Obama loathes Churchill.
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Didn't know that Obama did but it doesn't surprise me... Obama seems to hate anything that is not utopian and not in America's enemies advantage.
 
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