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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Christianity has spent 500 more years in the west where secular society has had a moderating effect. The same cannot be said of Islam. 500 years ago, Christians were just as much the animals that many Muslims are today. Once they get out of their little myopic Muslim-only world, secular society is having the same moderating effect on Islam that it had on Christianity.

    Same standard, different locations.
    This is Nonsense.
    Islam/Islamic countries don't exist in a Vacuum/Time capsule.
    using your logic/Excuse much of the Islamic world shouldn't have cell pones for another 500 years either.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    This is Nonsense.
    Islam/Islamic countries don't exist in a Vacuum/Time capsule.
    using your logic/Excuse much of the Islamic world shouldn't have cell pones for another 500 years either.
    Seriously? You mean the countries where it is illegal and punishable by death to be any religion other than Muslim? Yeah, those countries don't exist in a vacuum!
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Yes?
    No?
    Yes and no?
    Something else?

    Please give some thoughts behind your conclusion.

    Bonus question: In your opinion, why did Bush II go out of his way to refer to it as such after 9/11? Do you think he actually believed it? Do you think he was trying to keep people (us and them) calm?
    The meme 'Islam' attracts people with violent predispositions, yes.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The meme 'Islam' attracts people with violent predispositions, yes.
    I think people with extreme and very clear options like extremist Muslims (but also other groups like extreme militant groups of all walks of life) attract people who are looking for something that is missing from their lives and they end up in the clutches of these extremists.

    It could be they want clarity in their live, something to fight for, some leadership from someone else, etc. etc. etc.
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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Any religion that condemns non believers with the threat of death, and those who leave it with death, and those who break its rules with death.... is not a religion of peace. It is a religion of death. As most religions also, are a religion of death. They live their whole lives to die and reap the rewards of death.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Any religion that condemns non believers with the threat of death, and those who leave it with death, and those who break its rules with death.... is not a religion of peace. It is a religion of death. As most religions also, are a religion of death. They live their whole lives to die and reap the rewards of death.
    You mean like many Christian communities once did just a few hundred years ago? Blame the interpretation and practice of a religion; not the religious ideas, themselves.

    Oh, and the vast majority of modern Muslims aren't going to care if you leave the religion. Any idea can have fanatical supporters. Religions especially. And especially in highly religious cultures, and even more so if there's poverty or other environmental traits that breed desperation.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    You mean like many Christian communities once did just a few hundred years ago? Blame the interpretation and practice of a religion; not the religious ideas, themselves.

    Oh, and the vast majority of modern Muslims aren't going to care if you leave the religion. Any idea can have fanatical supporters. Religions especially. And especially in highly religious cultures, and even more so if there's poverty or other environmental traits that breed desperation.
    That's the problem. I can accept the idea that it all depends on how you interpret the meaning behind the writings in the bible. But when the bible and the Korean implicitly state that all non believes must be killed, enslaved or sent to a burning pit in hell, I don't see a way of interpreting your way around the violent message that conveys. When religious people say that its all a matter of how you interpret the bible, they are basically saying, it is all in the way you twist the words and meanings. The same is said in politics. You can take any sentence on its own, or in part and twist the words to vilify or exemplify the messenger. Context is important, but when you start arguing that people are simply not reading the books the "right way" you leave a lot of explaining that you have to do. Because no one will read ANYTHING and come away with the same message. Give 100 people the same book and you will get 100 different opinions on what the book meant. It actually makes sense when you think about it deeply enough. Its not to far out to think that originally religion started out as one book, and then splintered off into 10 different books.. then 1,000 different books. There have been over 10,000 different religions. Just like there are probably 10,000 or more different interpretations of the bible. So which one is correct and who decides?
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
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    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    A person's beliefs inform their actions. If they believe that an imaginary friend in the sky is commanding that they strap on a bomb vest and kill the heretics, then the religion that they follow, the beliefs that they hold, are at least partially responsible for the actions that they take.

    Of course, a lot of religious people hate that idea because when someone of their own religion goes crazy and does something evil, they don't want anything to stain the "good name" of their own religion. It's base hypocrisy, but we shouldn't be at all surprised.
    No, the religion has nothing to do with it.

    The lack of sanity has everything to do with it.

    Nobody who is not insane/severely emotionally disturbed is going to murder innocent people just because some book tells them to.

    Sane/emotionally balanced people do not murder innocent people.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I think people with extreme and very clear options like extremist Muslims (but also other groups like extreme militant groups of all walks of life) attract people who are looking for something that is missing from their lives and they end up in the clutches of these extremists.

    It could be they want clarity in their live, something to fight for, some leadership from someone else, etc. etc. etc.
    Violence isn't limited to extremists, unless you're willing to label all US Servicemen & police as extreme.

    The suicide bomber is extreme, while the rifleman is normal. Remove the brand and look at what they are. They're militia. Most of them are normal people who are just pissed off. ISIS happens to be very good at convincing people that they are pissed off and at whom, but the majority body of terrorists are normal people.

    "Terrorist" describes what kind of warfare the person performs, not why and not to what extent like "extreme".

    Islam attracts those predisposed to violence, and those people aren't necessarily "extremists", they're mostly normal pissed-off people not unlike the Ferguson rioters.
    Last edited by Jerry; 09-07-14 at 12:34 AM.

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    Re: Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Violence isn't limited to extremists, unless you're willing to label all US Servicemen & police as extreme.

    The suicide bomber is extreme, while the rifleman is normal. Remove the brand and look at what they are. They're militia. Most of them are normal people who are just pissed off. ISIS happens to be very good at convincing people that they are pissed off and at whom, but the majority body of terrorists are normal people.

    "Terrorist" describes what kind of warfare the person performs, not why and not to what extent like "extreme".

    Islam attracts those predisposed to violence, and those people aren't necessarily "extremists", they're mostly normal pissed-off people not unlike the Ferguson rioters.
    Violence is certainly not limited to extremists, but it takes religion or some other type of influence to motivate an extremist to do things that a normal individual would not do. It also takes an ideology that can be interpreted for that purpose. I think most religions fall in to the category of ideologies that can be interpreted as an excuse to carry out violent acts. You would have to be completely dishonest to say that the writings of at least the major religions of today can not be interpreted in that way.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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