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Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 11.4%

  • No

    Votes: 73 55.3%

  • Yes and no

    Votes: 28 21.2%

  • Something else

    Votes: 16 12.1%
  • Total voters
    132
countryboy said:
If you say so. My Bible includes the New Testament, it all ties together.
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The difference is culture. There is plenty of violence and even God sanctioned genocide in the Bible just like in the Koran, The difference is the cultures around the 2 religions. The only major religion that teaches non-violence without exception is Buddhism.
 
Do most Muslims actively participate in violence? No. Does the Koran advocate violence? Yes.

Do most Muslims approve when others within the religion act violently ostensibly per Koran teachings? I don't know about 'most', but many do. Certainly a sizable chunk.

Examples: (1) In the McVeigh bombing pretty much no one approved, let alone openly cheered. In fact, there was virtual universal condemnation from Americans and Christians throughout the country. (2) Pretty much no one approves of or openly supports the WBC, and they aren't even violent. (3) 9/11 attacks, many many Muslims all over the world openly cheered and demonstrated their glee at what had been done in the name of their religion. They may not have done the deeds themselves, but they most certainly approved.
 
In the Old Testament God ordered genocide as judgement. He killed everyone in a flood too. Now we are living in the New Testament. The Christian age. We are living in a period of God's grace. Christians don't murder people who leave the faith. Muslims do. Islam doesn't want to ''coexist''. I love those bumper stickers with all the religious symbols. Everyone of them is willing to coexist except one, Islam.
 
Johnny Ace said:
In the Old Testament God ordered genocide as judgement. He killed everyone in a flood too. Now we are living in the New Testament. The Christian age. We are living in a period of God's grace. Christians don't murder people who leave the faith. Muslims do. Islam doesn't want to ''coexist''. I love those bumper stickers with all the religious symbols. Everyone of them is willing to coexist except one, Islam.
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That's a rather juvenile understanding of something that's as complicated as a religion.
The dominate Sunni school in Islam, at the moment is, Salafis.

However, there are others that are more rational and reasonable.
Not to mention the other denominations of Islam in the world.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
That's a rather juvenile understanding of something that's as complicated as a religion.
The dominate Sunni school in Islam, at the moment is, Salafis.

However, there are others that are more rational and reasonable.
Not to mention the other denominations of Islam in the world.
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Oh, I don't believe it's juvenile at all. I'm very informed on the Christian scriptures as well as Islam. Muslims who leave Islam are harassed and even murdered. Christians don't murder people who leave their religion. Muslims do. That's not juvenile. That's the truth.
 
Johnny Ace said:
Oh, I don't believe it's juvenile at all. I'm very informed on the Christian scriptures as well as Islam. Muslims who leave Islam are harassed and even murdered. Christians don't murder people who leave Christianity. Muslims do. That's not juvenile. That's the truth.
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If that were true, you wouldn't say what you've said.:shrug:
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
If that were true, you wouldn't say what you've said.:shrug:
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That doesn't make sense. Muslims are harassed and murdered all the time for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity. What part of my posts do you disagree with?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
If that were true, you wouldn't say what you've said.:shrug:
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I must have missed where he said he was once Muslim and now isn't.

Could you please point it out to me? Thanks.
 
Muslims corrupt the Judeo/Christian Scriptures.
 
Johnny Ace said:
That doesn't make sense. Muslims are harassed and murdered all the time for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity. What part of my posts do you disagree with?
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You characterized the entire religion, which is vast and has conflicting beliefs.
It was a rather absolutist statement.

That's what I have a problem with.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
You characterized the entire religion, which is vast and has conflicting beliefs.
It was a rather absolutist statement.

That's what I have a problem with.
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Yes, the entire religion. The Qur'an is an evil hateful lie. My opinion.
 
radcen said:
Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

Yes?
No?
Yes and no?
Something else?

Please give some thoughts behind your conclusion.

Bonus question: In your opinion, why did Bush II go out of his way to refer to it as such after 9/11? Do you think he actually believed it? Do you think he was trying to keep people (us and them) calm?
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It is, but like most all religions it has it's feudal nature and demagoguery. The demagogue's disease runs high in uneducated and tribal societies and throughout human history religion has been used as an emotional driver to get one people to fight another.

The west made our mistakes in the Middle East during WWI and then generations thereafter, not by just exploiting the natural resources, but by injecting ourselves into political and religious struggles in the region and favoring one tribe over another, or one government over another etc etc. It is very well known that in such societies, "death squads" come about that are arms of governments or usurpers that violently oppress opposition and fundamentalist can very easily take advantage of religious dogma, as the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini did in Iran, condemning President Carter for taking in the brutal and ill Shaw of Iran, and thus we get "death to America".

Kim Davis et al are American examples of such ignorance; she see's herself as a victim of "oppressive government" and thus becomes a martyr. So while religions are very much peaceful experiences for all comers, sectarian governments are the real problem.
 
Oh, well. That doesn't change the Qur'an.
 
radcen said:
Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

Yes?
No?
Yes and no?
Something else?

Please give some thoughts behind your conclusion.

Bonus question: In your opinion, why did Bush II go out of his way to refer to it as such after 9/11? Do you think he actually believed it? Do you think he was trying to keep people (us and them) calm?
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Bush II is very naive as professional politicians tend to be outside their narrow core. People in the old country view him as a fool put into the presidency by the special interests.

That part of Islam now is no different than Christianity shortly after Columbus "discovered" the New World. Remember the Crusades? It's a part of history that makes muslims still shudder today.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Why would that matter?
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To have the statement you made make any sense whatsoever. He said that Muslims were harassed and even killed for leaving Islam. That is true. All Islamic countries have laws on the books that support killing or jailing apostates. You then said he wouldn't be here if that were true, and the only way for this very ignorant statement of yours to actually counter what he said is if he were an apostate of Islam.
 
radcen said:
Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?
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Yes?
No?
Yes and no?
Something else?

Please give some thoughts behind your conclusion.

Bonus question: In your opinion, why did Bush II go out of his way to refer to it as such after 9/11? Do you think he actually believed it? Do you think he was trying to keep people (us and them) calm?
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Yes, except for those who are on Jihad, just like Christianity is a religion of peace except for those who are on a Crusade.

:lol:
 
Glowpun said:
Bush II is very naive as professional politicians tend to be outside their narrow core. People in the old country view him as a fool put into the presidency by the special interests.

That part of Islam now is no different than Christianity shortly after Columbus "discovered" the New World. Remember the Crusades? It's a part of history that makes muslims still shudder today.
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The Crusades were a response to Muslim invaders who did the same thing ISIS and other Muslims do today.
 
shrubnose said:
Yes, except for those who are on Jihad, just like Christianity is a religion of peace except for those who are on a Crusade.

:lol:
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There should be another Crusade in my opinion.
 
Gardener said:
To have the statement you made make any sense whatsoever. He said that Muslims were harassed and even killed for leaving Islam. That is true. All Islamic countries have laws on the books that support killing or jailing apostates. You then said he wouldn't be here if that were true, and the only way for this very ignorant statement of yours to actually counter what he said is if he were an apostate of Islam.
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I was responding to his broad statement that, Islam doesn't want to coexist.
That's factually untrue.

There are denominations, ethnic groups, schools of thought, in Islam that are tolerant.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I was responding to his broad statement that, Islam doesn't want to coexist.
That's factually untrue.

There are denominations, ethnic groups, schools of thought, in Islam that are tolerant.
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It is absolutely true.

The Koran is one long invocation to join Islam or be killed. It even instructs Muslims on the proper method for decapitating their enemies. There may be peaceful Muslims, but that does not change the supremacist nature of the actual religion.
 
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