Beheadings: View or Ignore?

It just seems rude to me. Why cut off a perfectly good head? There are better ways to kill in the name of God.

The German said:

Has nothing to do with opinion.

It is seen by the UK authorities as terrorist material/ terrorist properganda and therefor spreading it or owning it is a punishable offense.

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I don't give a crap what the UK authorities think...it is absolutely ridiculous.

So, if someone on a bus, who is sitting beside me, starts to watch the video and I happen to turn my head to look at what he is watching...then I can be charged? That's flat out paranoia.


I do not even begin to care what your apparent 'Big Brother' loving ideas are about this.

You AND the UK authorities are TOTALLY wrong.

It is absolute madness to make it illegal to even look at a beheading video.

And if the UK authorities are going to try and tell me what non-child pornography video I can or cannot look at - they can go and shove it.


And I will not waste one more second debating this with you.

You and I are done on this.


Good day.

I don't view them and I don't ignore them.

grip said:

I had been curious in a macabre kind of way but never really wanted to see a beheading. I'm not much for gory movies either though.

My childhood friend emailed me an untitled video of the Nick Berg decapitation. I don't know why he did it but it started a fight, which ended our friendship. I was caught off guard and absolutely mortified by it. And it kind of made me hate my friend for making me see it.

The point is, do we encourage this behavior by allowing our sense of morbid curiosity to take over and watch them? I know nobody wants to see bodies mangled in a gruesome car accident, but if we drive by one, we can't seem to help the urge to rubberneck for a view.

I haven't seen any of the recent beheadings of Americans by ISIS, nor do I wish too. And though I wouldn't judge anyone who did, is it a smart thing to do either for yourself psychologically or for the terror it's meant to instill? Or does it not really matter and would happen anyway?

Why you shouldn't click on nude celebrity photos or 'beheading porn' - LA Times

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Your former friend sent you the video as a joke?

I would have sent it to you as information.

I view them. I seek out all kinds of raw video of real incidents, from BlueTube and BannedInAmerica to dark websites I would get infracted for just for saying the website name. While I respect keeping news material PG for family viewing, I am appalled at the total lack of any American media willing to report the raw news and show the ugly truth of the world.

Jerry said:

I seek out all kinds of raw video of real incidents, from BlueTube and BannedInAmerica to dark websites I would get infracted for just for saying the website name.

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What do you believe you learn from that?

ecofarm said:

What do you believe you learn from that?

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Learn, or gain? I don't believe I learn anything. There's no bonus data in the material. What I gain, however, is truth, not a sugar coated version of it, and the truth carries an impact.

It's one thing to see a still picture of a militant next to a civilian with a blerb about ISIS demands and then the talking head goes on about how it's the other political party's fault and you should vote for his guy. It's quite another to remove all the media commentary completely, see the interaction between the militant and the civilian, hear thew civilian's last words, and then hear the civilian's screams of pain and see their blood and watch them die. The murdered person becomes real me. He's not a picture and blerb and a shameless political plug followed by a commercial brake full of products you need to buy or you won't get that rase and that girl won't **** you and you'll be fat and miserable and alone call now operators are standing by.......he's a real human being.

And now he's dead.

And I watched him die.

That makes the whole ISIS thing real to me, it makes me care, it makes me want to care on a basic human level, not a political bias level.

Jerry said:

Learn, or gain? I don't believe I learn anything. There's no bonus data in the material. What I gain, however, is truth, not a sugar coated version of it, and the truth carries an impact.

It's one thing to see a still picture of a militant next to a civilian with a blerb about ISIS demands and then the talking head goes on about how it's the other political party's fault and you should vote for his guy. It's quite another to remove all the media commentary completely, see the interaction between the militant and the civilian, and then hear the civilian's screams of pain and see their blood and watch them die. The murdered person becomes real me. He's not a picture and blerb and a shameless political plug, he's a real human being.

He's dead.

And I watched him die.

That makes the whole ISIS thing real to me, it makes me care, it makes me want to care on a basic human level, not a political bias level.

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So you use such videos to feed your emotional response, and this helps your intellectual understanding how?

ecofarm said:

So you use such videos to feed your emotional response, and this helps your intellectual understanding how?

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It's about feeling a connection to another human being.

I have no desire to see another human lose their life.

I am not interested in watching a vicious, disgusting murder. What I AM interested in is finishing jihadism for good, starting with the creatures in this movement. If people in cities that are harboring these savages--Raqqah, Mosul, Fallujah, or anyplace else--do not turn them out or kill them themselves, they are aiding war criminals and should be considered sympathetic to them.

I've viewed a couple of them and to say they are disturbing is a understatement. The first one I seen actually stuck with me and " bothered" me for damn near a week! The reason I've actually viewed these horrific acts is to look at pure evil and to solidify my hatred for it! I truly believe anyone over the age of 14yrs old should have to view this evil so they fully understand what civilization is up against. And I will say this, anyone who says they are pro-choice I challenge you to watch an abortion video, you will not, I repeat you will not be the same after you view it.

I have no interest whatsoever in watching a beheading. Why would I?

The war and media has left me a bit desensitized on gore. I can watch beheadings with the intent to critically evaluate whether it is true.

I do not like what I see, but I dislike lies even more. I have not been able to watch the proceeding of US civilian beheading from start to finish in these 2 last occasions. The latest one that I saw was an ISIS Iraqi captive being beheaded while held from about 10 men. The captive had completely submitted to death while watching the camera.

I agree with the link. I'm not giving these websites hits and encouraging them to smear this trash around the next time it happens.

I don't need to see someone's frickin' head get cut off. I've seen enough crap in my life and I don't need to be any more blunted than I am. That is not entertainment. I don't need to see a naked actress without her consent. If I want to see a female body, well, that's pretty easy for me to sort out, isn't it, and I don't have to violate anyone's privacy to do it.

Would anyone here want the world or their family see them die in a gruesome way? That stuff sticks with you and never goes away. I haven't watched it and don't plan on it. I don't need to watch someone be murdered to make myself believe murder exists.

DDD said:

The war and media has left me a bit desensitized on gore. I can watch beheadings with the intent to critically evaluate whether it is true.

I do not like what I see, but I dislike lies even more. I have not been able to watch the proceeding of US civilian beheading from start to finish in these 2 last occasions. The latest one that I saw was an ISIS Iraqi captive being beheaded while held from about 10 men. The captive had completely submitted to death while watching the camera.

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About pornography, my father once told me that after about 5 minutes, there's not much left to see, and I've found this to be true. Maybe it's because I live in the country and seeing animals do it is a commonplace, but reducing human sexuality to "Baby, we're just mammals" is sad.

So is viewing executions. After you've seen one, what else is left to see? After a point, watching beheadings makes one a participant in the degradation of human beings, at least in my opinion.

nota bene said:

About pornography, my father once told me that after about 5 minutes, there's not much left to see, and I've found this to be true. Maybe it's because I live in the country and seeing animals do it is a commonplace, but reducing human sexuality to "Baby, we're just mammals" is sad.

So is viewing executions. After you've seen one, what else is left to see? After a point, watching beheadings makes one a participant in the degradation of human beings, at least in my opinion.

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Somebody has to see whether it is not fake Nota?

Unless you have the actual film/digital whatever, can you always ascertain whether the video is faked? And where does genuine interest end and prurience begin?

Jerry said:

Learn, or gain? I don't believe I learn anything. There's no bonus data in the material. What I gain, however, is truth, not a sugar coated version of it, and the truth carries an impact.

It's one thing to see a still picture of a militant next to a civilian with a blerb about ISIS demands and then the talking head goes on about how it's the other political party's fault and you should vote for his guy. It's quite another to remove all the media commentary completely, see the interaction between the militant and the civilian, hear thew civilian's last words, and then hear the civilian's screams of pain and see their blood and watch them die. The murdered person becomes real me. He's not a picture and blerb and a shameless political plug followed by a commercial brake full of products you need to buy or you won't get that rase and that girl won't **** you and you'll be fat and miserable and alone call now operators are standing by.......he's a real human being.

And now he's dead.

And I watched him die.

That makes the whole ISIS thing real to me, it makes me care, it makes me want to care on a basic human level, not a political bias level.

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I saw the Daniel Pearl beheading way back in 2002. It stuck with me. I ended up deploying to Iraq shortly (March 03) thereafter and they started that crap up again. I was supposed to be unarmed via Geneva conventions rules as I was a contractor. I ignored that rule, I told the few military and supervisors who questioned me about it that I would go home before I would be disarmed in theater. I only occasionally was armed with a firearm of some sort that my escorts loaned me, but I ALWAYS had a KBAR knife and atropine injectors on me at ALL times. Yes I even slept with em. The reason was that video. I was NOT going to be captured alive. That KBAR was for me to commit suicide if it came down to it. That was the primary reason I had it. That decision was a direct result of watching that video and over the course my time there, the various other hideous tortures those sand ****** bastards were doing, and friends getting wounded or dead or in a couple of cases worse.

What you said in your post struck a nerve with me as it is so very very true. I am of two minds on watching that video. I wish I had never seen it. I am glad I have seen it as it help me prepare myself mentally and physically to do what was necessary to prevent an outcome like Pearls for me and for my friends if it came to that. I went to Iraq with my eyes opened. Pearl may have died, but he in my mind helped me in his death to prepare me for what was to come. So in that regard I am thankful to have watched it, even if I wished I never had.

The point you make is poignant, and I for one appreciate its simple truth. Thank you for pointing out to others.

Jerry said:

Your former friend sent you the video as a joke?

I would have sent it to you as information.

I view them. I seek out all kinds of raw video of real incidents, from BlueTube and BannedInAmerica to dark websites I would get infracted for just for saying the website name. While I respect keeping news material PG for family viewing, I am appalled at the total lack of any American media willing to report the raw news and show the ugly truth of the world.

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No, he wasn't trying to be funny, probably a fear monger. I had recently argued with him that war was not a necessity, and I think he was trying to prove a point why it was.

I thought Joe Pesci popping a guy's eyeball out from someone's head in a vice in 'Goodfellas' was as graphic as I care to see. Or when I read about this guy who wanted to know if someone is still aware after their head is chopped off, so he went to an execution and after they lopped off this guy's head in a bucket, he yelled out the guy's name and the dude looked up at him. I didn't need to know that was possible, and find the idea that people who think that knowledge is about truth to be a little off. There is all kind of truth (information) about tortures and death that I neither know, nor care too. I'm sure in time, I'll find out more than I want first hand.

Arcana XV said:

Well, I'm afraid you're mistaken in your interpretation of what Scotland Yard actually said.



Note the bolded part.

This does not mean that everyone who views the video will be prosecuted as you implied.

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They may prosecute you if they want to.

My guess is that no one needs to hire a team of lawyers right now.

herenow1 said:

Would anyone here want the world or their family see them die in a gruesome way? That stuff sticks with you and never goes away. I haven't watched it and don't plan on it. I don't need to watch someone be murdered to make myself believe murder exists.

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Though I see your point...I will be dead - why would I care?

If my family don't want to watch them - they don't have to.

Having said that, I have no great desire to see these videos...too gruesome.