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  • I view them.

    7 16.67%
  • I ignore them.

    24 57.14%
  • Viewed one, not again.

    7 16.67%
  • Not curious at all.

    9 21.43%
  • Doesn't make a difference.

    4 9.52%
  • Promotes more beheadings.

    3 7.14%
  • Other

    8 19.05%
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Thread: Beheadings: View or Ignore?

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    Re: Beheadings: View or Ignore?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    The war and media has left me a bit desensitized on gore. I can watch beheadings with the intent to critically evaluate whether it is true.

    I do not like what I see, but I dislike lies even more. I have not been able to watch the proceeding of US civilian beheading from start to finish in these 2 last occasions. The latest one that I saw was an ISIS Iraqi captive being beheaded while held from about 10 men. The captive had completely submitted to death while watching the camera.
    About pornography, my father once told me that after about 5 minutes, there's not much left to see, and I've found this to be true. Maybe it's because I live in the country and seeing animals do it is a commonplace, but reducing human sexuality to "Baby, we're just mammals" is sad.

    So is viewing executions. After you've seen one, what else is left to see? After a point, watching beheadings makes one a participant in the degradation of human beings, at least in my opinion.

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    Re: Beheadings: View or Ignore?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    About pornography, my father once told me that after about 5 minutes, there's not much left to see, and I've found this to be true. Maybe it's because I live in the country and seeing animals do it is a commonplace, but reducing human sexuality to "Baby, we're just mammals" is sad.

    So is viewing executions. After you've seen one, what else is left to see? After a point, watching beheadings makes one a participant in the degradation of human beings, at least in my opinion.
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    Re: Beheadings: View or Ignore?

    Unless you have the actual film/digital whatever, can you always ascertain whether the video is faked? And where does genuine interest end and prurience begin?

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    Re: Beheadings: View or Ignore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Learn, or gain? I don't believe I learn anything. There's no bonus data in the material. What I gain, however, is truth, not a sugar coated version of it, and the truth carries an impact.

    It's one thing to see a still picture of a militant next to a civilian with a blerb about ISIS demands and then the talking head goes on about how it's the other political party's fault and you should vote for his guy. It's quite another to remove all the media commentary completely, see the interaction between the militant and the civilian, hear thew civilian's last words, and then hear the civilian's screams of pain and see their blood and watch them die. The murdered person becomes real me. He's not a picture and blerb and a shameless political plug followed by a commercial brake full of products you need to buy or you won't get that rase and that girl won't **** you and you'll be fat and miserable and alone call now operators are standing by.......he's a real human being.

    And now he's dead.

    And I watched him die.

    That makes the whole ISIS thing real to me, it makes me care, it makes me want to care on a basic human level, not a political bias level.
    I saw the Daniel Pearl beheading way back in 2002. It stuck with me. I ended up deploying to Iraq shortly (March 03) thereafter and they started that crap up again. I was supposed to be unarmed via Geneva conventions rules as I was a contractor. I ignored that rule, I told the few military and supervisors who questioned me about it that I would go home before I would be disarmed in theater. I only occasionally was armed with a firearm of some sort that my escorts loaned me, but I ALWAYS had a KBAR knife and atropine injectors on me at ALL times. Yes I even slept with em. The reason was that video. I was NOT going to be captured alive. That KBAR was for me to commit suicide if it came down to it. That was the primary reason I had it. That decision was a direct result of watching that video and over the course my time there, the various other hideous tortures those sand ****** bastards were doing, and friends getting wounded or dead or in a couple of cases worse.

    What you said in your post struck a nerve with me as it is so very very true. I am of two minds on watching that video. I wish I had never seen it. I am glad I have seen it as it help me prepare myself mentally and physically to do what was necessary to prevent an outcome like Pearls for me and for my friends if it came to that. I went to Iraq with my eyes opened. Pearl may have died, but he in my mind helped me in his death to prepare me for what was to come. So in that regard I am thankful to have watched it, even if I wished I never had.

    The point you make is poignant, and I for one appreciate its simple truth. Thank you for pointing out to others.
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    Re: Beheadings: View or Ignore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Your former friend sent you the video as a joke?

    I would have sent it to you as information.

    I view them. I seek out all kinds of raw video of real incidents, from BlueTube and BannedInAmerica to dark websites I would get infracted for just for saying the website name. While I respect keeping news material PG for family viewing, I am appalled at the total lack of any American media willing to report the raw news and show the ugly truth of the world.
    No, he wasn't trying to be funny, probably a fear monger. I had recently argued with him that war was not a necessity, and I think he was trying to prove a point why it was.

    I thought Joe Pesci popping a guy's eyeball out from someone's head in a vice in 'Goodfellas' was as graphic as I care to see. Or when I read about this guy who wanted to know if someone is still aware after their head is chopped off, so he went to an execution and after they lopped off this guy's head in a bucket, he yelled out the guy's name and the dude looked up at him. I didn't need to know that was possible, and find the idea that people who think that knowledge is about truth to be a little off. There is all kind of truth (information) about tortures and death that I neither know, nor care too. I'm sure in time, I'll find out more than I want first hand.
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    Re: Beheadings: View or Ignore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Well, I'm afraid you're mistaken in your interpretation of what Scotland Yard actually said.



    Note the bolded part.

    This does not mean that everyone who views the video will be prosecuted as you implied.


    They may prosecute you if they want to.

    My guess is that no one needs to hire a team of lawyers right now.

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    Re: Beheadings: View or Ignore?

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Would anyone here want the world or their family see them die in a gruesome way? That stuff sticks with you and never goes away. I haven't watched it and don't plan on it. I don't need to watch someone be murdered to make myself believe murder exists.
    Though I see your point...I will be dead - why would I care?

    If my family don't want to watch them - they don't have to.

    Having said that, I have no great desire to see these videos...too gruesome.

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