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What is the War in Ukraine about?

What is the War in Ukraine about?


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You can't enforce UNGA resolutions period, they are not international law, they're strongly worded letters, do you even know the difference between a UNSC Resolution and a UNGA Resolution?

Neither are enforceable by the UN. The UN hasn't an enforcement arm. Do you understand that?
 
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This dealt with foreign media and was discontinued in 1976.




I notice you provide no link for your second source, shocking. :roll: Ed Snowden is a proven liar. Provide first hand accounts of those actually in the employ of any service in the US government to troll internet forums and post propaganda the way my sources have done. You can't because they don't exist, however, the evidence regarding the authoritarian Russian regime paying propagandists to troll internet forums by the post has been presented and you have nothing as a rebuttal save for pointing to anti-Soviet propaganda efforts during the cold war ended in the mid-70s and nonsense from a questionable source with absolutely no substantiating evidence to back the claims therein.

And you are proof of paid trolls, how often have you changed your user name, and avatar to advance propaganda?


New Snowden Doc Reveals How GCHQ/NSA Use The Internet To 'Manipulate, Deceive And Destroy Reputations'
from the and-not-just-terrorists dept
A few weeks ago, Glenn Greenwald, while working with NBC News, revealed some details of a GCHQ presentation concerning how the surveillance organization had a "dirty tricks" group known as JTRIG -- the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group. Now, over at The Intercept, he's revealed the entire presentation and highlighted more details about how JTRIG would seek to infiltrate different groups online and destroy people's reputations -- going way, way, way beyond just targeting terrorist groups and threats to national security.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...-manipulate-deceive-destroy-reputations.shtml

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...Blows-The-Whistle-On-Covert-Blog-Infiltration
 
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Neither are enforceable by the UN. The UN hasn't an enforcement arm. Do you understand that?

UNSC Resolutions have the force of international law, UNGA resolutions do not have the force of international law, do you understand THAT?
 
And you are proof of paid trolls, how often have you changed your user name, and avatar to advance propaganda?


New Snowden Doc Reveals How GCHQ/NSA Use The Internet To 'Manipulate, Deceive And Destroy Reputations'
from the and-not-just-terrorists dept
A few weeks ago, Glenn Greenwald, while working with NBC News, revealed some details of a GCHQ presentation concerning how the surveillance organization had a "dirty tricks" group known as JTRIG -- the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group. Now, over at The Intercept, he's revealed the entire presentation and highlighted more details about how JTRIG would seek to infiltrate different groups online and destroy people's reputations -- going way, way, way beyond just targeting terrorist groups and threats to national security.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...-manipulate-deceive-destroy-reputations.shtml

Greenwald Blows The Whistle On Covert Blog Infiltration

Post the actual documents, once again Snowden is a proven liar. His assertions regarding Operation PRISM for example have been shown to be false. The Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group (JTRIG) and Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) aren't even freaking American they're British. :roll:
 
Post the actual documents, once again Snowden is a proven liar. His assertions regarding Operation PRISM for example have been shown to be false. The Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group (JTRIG) and Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) aren't even freaking American they're British. :roll:

Don't take any laxatives. There won't be anything left of you.
 
Post the actual documents, once again Snowden is a proven liar. His assertions regarding Operation PRISM for example have been shown to be false. The Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group (JTRIG) and Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) aren't even freaking American they're British. :roll:



With all DUE respect, under the law, which you seem to claim to know a lot about, if someone accuses someone of being a "liar" tehy need to document that with proof, it's called "onus" of the accuser.

No where have I ever seen any credible evidence that Snowden "lied" as he never said anything, he merely released documents which should have been public information in the first place.

So, if you have anything credible please present it after reading rule #10. If not, please be so kind as to close the pie hole and allow this debate to get back to where it was intended.


have a wonderful day.
 
lmfao those are for AQ websites; such as, "Inspire", not comments sections on the Guardian and regular debate forums to spread propaganda like the Russian program so spare us the false analogies.


Once again, with disregard to your antagonistic tone, spewing on and on proves nothing. If you have any such evidence that these accusations you make are true, please present them under rule #10. Simply railing at unmentioned and unreferenced periodicals provides nothing positive except for those who need attention all the time.
 
lmfao those are for AQ websites; such as, "Inspire", not comments sections on the Guardian and regular debate forums to spread propaganda like the Russian program so spare us the false analogies.

Taking Fearandloathing's wise suggestion, more to the point of the US's involvement in Ukraine.

Kissinger's take on the Ukraine crisis.
http://nuclearrisk.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/henry-kissingers-perspective-on-the-ukrainian-crisis/

Oil, gas and nuclear power companies make up the top group lobbying on Ukraine, records show. Along with Exxon Mobil, Chevron Corp., Anadarko Petroleum Corporation, Westinghouse Electric Co., and the Nuclear Energy Institute also filed first-quarter lobbying reports that cover Ukraine.

Ukraine Crisis Drives a Quiet Lobbying Boom in U.S. - Businessweek
 
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NATO expansion eastward.
 
That was a NATO operation, at the invitation of Libyan insurgents, not NATO expansion.

I wonder if some disgruntled Americans could get a NATO regime change to happen in the US?
 
Try your luck. The Libyan insurrection was a legitimate popular uprising, regardless of what has happened subsequently.

Bull crap. Since when do the few make the decision for the many, US/NATO abuse of the UN resolution for the use of force has Libya in tethers, sorry, like Ukraine, just another US foreign policy failure.

Jack Matlock, U.S. ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987 to 1991, says that the U.S. and NATO are to blame for the Ukraine crisis:

The fact is they are going to intervene until they are certain that there is no prospect of Ukraine becoming a member of NATO. And all of the threats by NATO and so on to sort of increase defenses elsewhere is simply provocative to the Russians. Now, I’m not saying that’s right, but I am saying that’s the way Russia is going to react. And frankly, this is all predictable. And those of us who helped negotiate the end of the Cold War almost unanimously said in the 1990s, “Do not expand NATO eastward. Find a different way to protect eastern Europe, a way that includes Russia. Otherwise, eventually there’s going to be a confrontation, because there is a red line, as far as any Russian government is concerned, when it comes to Ukraine and Georgia and other former republics of the Soviet Union.”
 
Unfortunately for him his people wanted another direction.

And your wrong again, a 50/50 split is not "his people", that's half his people. But good day Hays, I knew you couldn't be trusted for honesty in this.
 
Bull crap. Since when do the few make the decision for the many, US/NATO abuse of the UN resolution for the use of force has Libya in tethers, sorry, like Ukraine, just another US foreign policy failure.

Jack Matlock, U.S. ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987 to 1991, says that the U.S. and NATO are to blame for the Ukraine crisis:

The fact is they are going to intervene until they are certain that there is no prospect of Ukraine becoming a member of NATO. And all of the threats by NATO and so on to sort of increase defenses elsewhere is simply provocative to the Russians. Now, I’m not saying that’s right, but I am saying that’s the way Russia is going to react. And frankly, this is all predictable. And those of us who helped negotiate the end of the Cold War almost unanimously said in the 1990s, “Do not expand NATO eastward. Find a different way to protect eastern Europe, a way that includes Russia. Otherwise, eventually there’s going to be a confrontation, because there is a red line, as far as any Russian government is concerned, when it comes to Ukraine and Georgia and other former republics of the Soviet Union.”

Libyans have Libya in tatters; no one else bears even a scintilla of responsibility. Jack Matlock is a very smart man whom I respect quite a bit, but he's got this backward. NATO did not move east to Ukraine. The Ukrainian people moved west to NATO. Putin would do well to remember Metternich's wisdom: a prince can do many things with bayonets, but he cannot sit on them.

And btw, please note that even Matlock does not say the Russians are right.
 
And your wrong again, a 50/50 split is not "his people", that's half his people. But good day Hays, I knew you couldn't be trusted for honesty in this.

Hmmm. I don't recall seeing that alleged pro-Russian 50% in the streets.
 
I wonder if some disgruntled Americans could get a NATO regime change to happen in the US?

Greetings, Montecresto. :2wave:

I doubt it, since we provide a big chunk of their funding. Money does talk, even though sometimes it only whispers threats! :mrgreen:!
 
Greetings, Montecresto. :2wave:

I doubt it, since we provide a big chunk of their funding. Money does talk, even though sometimes it only whispers threats! :mrgreen:!

I know Polgara, I was being facetious based upon the suggestion that a comparative handful of separatists asked the West to help them overthrow Gaddafi. Never mind that UNR 1973 didn't authorize that.

Good evening to you :2wave:
 
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