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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Sorry about the source. I really did not notice it. It came up as a result of a search on Victoria Nuland. That said, is there anything inaccurate about the article that I posted? It appeared to be sound to me.
    There IS a powerful Jewish lobby in the US that has great influence on our policies, but they don't control everything. And considering the Nazi influence in the new Kiev government, I doubt Mrs. Nuland's Jewishness has anything to do with anything.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There IS a powerful Jewish lobby in the US that has great influence on our policies, but they don't control everything.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You think they control everything, lol.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's a dangerous question Mad, shall I list out for you the number of countries the US has occupied without "consent"??
    I'll happily concede that Iraq, Grenada, Kosovo, and Vietnam were wars of aggression. If you believe that countries have no right to interfere in the affairs of other countries, as seems to be your position as regards the US, then what Russia has done is unquestionably an act of aggression.
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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I'll happily concede that Iraq, Grenada, Kosovo, and Vietnam were wars of aggression. If you believe that countries have no right to interfere in the affairs of other countries, as seems to be your position as regards the US, then what Russia has done is unquestionably an act of aggression.
    What a truncated list! And no, in THIS case Russia is responding to Western aggression in Ukraine. As was Russian and Chinese response at the UN level over Syria.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I don't think the word "cabal" was used.
    Not directly, but if you don't see that's what they were implying, I'd gloss over it again.

    However the article did say:



    I honestly don't think that is inaccurate. What about that assertion do you dispute?
    Nothing, really. People in similar positions of power and with similar viewpoints tend to associate with each other. It has almost no meaning to me whatsoever.
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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What a truncated list! And no, in THIS case Russia is responding to Western aggression in Ukraine. As was Russian and Chinese response at the UN level over Syria.
    Ha, well, I couldn't really fit all the Indian wars on there, could I?

    What happened in Ukraine had nothing to do with Western intrigue, and Moscow knows this very well. Most powers respond to an illegitimate coup within their local sphere of influence by direct regime change - Grenada and Clinton's intervention in Haiti are good examples. But Yanukovych was hated by everyone, and his ousting was supported by at least around half the country. Armed thugs didn't run in and chuck him out of office, like they did in Crimea and Donbass; Parliament had slightly less than the needed majority to kick him out of office, and so he ran away. There was no coup and therefore no act of Western aggression that justified Russian expansionism.
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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Ha, well, I couldn't really fit all the Indian wars on there, could I?

    What happened in Ukraine had nothing to do with Western intrigue, and Moscow knows this very well. Most powers respond to an illegitimate coup within their local sphere of influence by direct regime change - Grenada and Clinton's intervention in Haiti are good examples. But Yanukovych was hated by everyone, and his ousting was supported by at least around half the country. Armed thugs didn't run in and chuck him out of office, like they did in Crimea and Donbass; Parliament had slightly less than the needed majority to kick him out of office, and so he ran away. There was no coup and therefore no act of Western aggression that justified Russian expansionism.
    The Indian wars weren't the end of it either. No aggression on the part of Russia, not in regards to Ukraine, none whatsoever.

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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    But Yanukovych was hated by everyone, and his ousting was supported by at least around half the country.
    Yanukovych wasn't hated by everyone in a political sense, but he was indeed hated by almost everyone for his insatiable corruption.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Yanukovych wasn't hated by everyone in a political sense, but he was indeed hated by almost everyone for his insatiable corruption.
    There was a 50/50 split. Hardly justification for the coup. And there were not a million people in Maiden square, of a country with 45 million citizens. Self determination is supported by the US ONLY when the results favor US business interests.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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