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    27 69.23%
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Thread: What is the War in Ukraine about?

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    For one thing, at least you are calling it what it is, unlike Monte. And two, sort of hard to have a fair vote when you have Russian troops patrolling the streets don't you think? Or maybe you still think 100% of Iraqis really wanted Saddam in power...
    It was annexation by referendum, never denied that. What I denied was your assertion, and that of others, that Russia is the aggressor. Russia IS NOT the aggressor, but responding to US intrigue in Ukraine. That's always been my position, and remains so. Stop misrepresenting it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    For one thing, at least you are calling it what it is, unlike Monte. And two, sort of hard to have a fair vote when you have Russian troops patrolling the streets don't you think? Or maybe you still think 100% of Iraqis really wanted Saddam in power...
    As regards Saddam, I think 100% of the Bush's didn't want him in power. He had a stable cosmopolitan Country and, something easy to see in retrospect, he was the type of leader that could function in the ethno-politics of the Region. You'll never hear me call him a good guy, but you'll never hear me call Bush a good guy, either. Big Corporate wants Ukraine and we represent big Corporate a/k/a, the New World Order. Leadership by those new legal persons, the Corporations, via Citizens United.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It was annexation by referendum, never denied that. What I denied was your assertion, and that of others, that Russia is the aggressor. Russia IS NOT the aggressor, but responding to US intrigue in Ukraine. That's always been my position, and remains so. Stop misrepresenting it.
    Do you consider militarily occupying part of a country without that country's consent to be an act of aggression?
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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    This represents but a fraction of the examples that could be provided.

    The 1954 Guatemalan coup d’état (18–27 June 1954) was a covert operation carried out by the United States Central Intelligence Agency that deposed President Jacobo Árbenz and installed a military regime in his place. The coup was codenamed "Operation PBSUCCESS."

    Guatemala had been ruled since 1930 by the dictator General Jorge Ubico, supported by the United States government. His regime was one of the most brutally repressive military juntas in the history of Central America. In return for U.S. support he gave hundreds of thousands of hectares of highly fertile land to the American United Fruit Company (UFCO), as well as allowing the U.S. military to establish bases in Guatemala.[1][2][3][4][5] In 1944, Ubico's repressive policies resulted in a large popular revolt against him, led by students, intellectuals, and a progressive faction of the military. In what was later called the "October Revolution", Ubico was overthrown, resulting in Guatemala's first democratic election.[6]
    Prior to the Russian Revolution, support for dictators was often based on furthering American economic and political priorities, such as opening foreign markets to American manufacturers.

    1954 Guatemalan coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The United States has been involved in and assisted in the overthrow of foreign governments (more recently termed "regime change") without the overt use of U.S. military force. Often, such operations are tasked to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

    Regime change has been attempted through direct involvement of U.S. operatives, the funding and training of insurgency groups within these countries, anti-regime propaganda campaigns, coups d'état, and other activities usually conducted as operations by the CIA. The United States has also accomplished regime change by direct military action, such as following the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1989 and the U.S.-led military invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    Some argue that non-transparent United States government agencies working in secret sometimes mislead or do not fully implement the decisions of elected civilian leaders and that this has been an important component of many such operations,[1] see plausible deniability. Some contend that the U.S. has supported more coups against democracies that it perceived as communist, becoming communist, or pro-communist.[1]

    The U.S. has also covertly supported opposition groups in various countries without necessarily attempting to overthrow the government. For example, the CIA funded anti-communist political parties in countries such as Italy and Chile; it also armed Kurdish rebels fighting the Ba'athist government of Iraq in the Second Kurdish-Iraqi War prior to the Algiers Agreement.

    Covert United States foreign regime change actions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Thanks. I think it goes much further back tho.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    You agree with a white pride website's take on what they see as a Jewish conspiracy?
    Sorry about the source. I really did not notice it. It came up as a result of a search on Victoria Nuland. That said, is there anything inaccurate about the article that I posted? It appeared to be sound to me.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Sorry about the source. I really did not notice it. It came up as a result of a search on Victoria Nuland. That said, is there anything inaccurate about the article that I posted? It appeared to be sound to me.
    Do you not understand what they mean by "family power ties?" They're asserting a Jewish cabal is engineering US foreign policy. What do you think "Our Permanent Government" is?
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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Big Oil and Big Profits as part of Russian Imperialism. The "ethnic" Russian speakers are just an excuse for Putin. It is also a part of the Russian Imperialism in that Russia wanted the Crimea and now they need a land bridge to protect that port which is the ONLY warm water port Russia has. Putin wants Russia to regain it's territory that was either given away or lost by the Czars and the Soviet Union. That's part of why you heard Putin refer to Novorussiya (New Russia) the other day.

    This has a lot more to do with Imperialism and less to do with corporate profits, no matter what the anti-capitalists and conspiracy theorists believe. In Russia, the corporations are still pretty much the financial pipeline for the government.

    More territory, more resources, more profits, more government, more military which can garner more territory. And thus the cycle continues. Imperialism...

    This is the first time since WWII that one country seized part of another country by force. It started in the Crimea, has moved to the eastern provinces of the Ukraine, and next will be parts or the Balkans and parts of the Baltic states. If the latter happens, NATO will get involved. As for the Ukraine - Obama told them in his Estonia speech, that they are on their own, when he said that the Ukraine has no military answer. Ukraine is now Novorussiya - as Putin just declared.


    It actually has all to do with imperialism..but not just that of Russia.

    Since the end of the Soviet era, [and before of course] Ukraine, unlike Belarus, Poland etc., remained by choice in the Russian sphere of influence. It stayed that way with NATO now and then probing to see if there was support to extend their influence right up to Russia's border and deny Putin the Black Sea port of Crimea.
    During the height of Bush's popularity there were reports trickling in here that the US was pressing Kiev.
    Then, at a G-8 summit around 2005, Putin warned Bush publicly that he would "tear her apart" should the US try meddling in the Ukraine. Bush backed off.
    Then, somewhere in the Obama administration, they started instigating unrest over alleged corruption in the duly elected government, unrest that become violent with protesters making walls of ice to barricade themselves.

    That fifth column work by the CIA has been documented in a recording of a telephone conversation and led to the ouster of the elected government.
    As soon as Putin was finished in Sochi, where he failed his nation in winning hockey gold to Canada [DO NOT underestimate the importance of that] Putin virtually invaded the Crimea and took it back and is now in the process of pulling off the largest land grab in eastern Europe since 1939 Poland....with impunity.

    There is some oil there, some food too...but Ukraine is a very poor region. Economics are hard to justify, 'because he can" is more likely the real reason form Putin.
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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Do you not understand what they mean by "family power ties?" They're asserting a Jewish cabal is engineering US foreign policy. What do you think "Our Permanent Government" is?
    I don't think the word "cabal" was used. However the article did say:

    Intertwined Jewish power families are an important aspect of Jewish history, cementing business relationships by creating networks of close relatives who married only among themselves—e.g., the Court Jews of 17th- and 18th-century Europe. We see echoes of that in the contemporary world, as among the neocons.
    I honestly don't think that is inaccurate. What about that assertion do you dispute?

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Do you consider militarily occupying part of a country without that country's consent to be an act of aggression?
    That's a dangerous question Mad, shall I list out for you the number of countries the US has occupied without "consent"??
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Thanks. I think it goes much further back tho.
    Well sure it does, that's why I said, its but a fraction of the examples that could be presented.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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