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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, that's essentially treason, if you get your country involved in hostilities that get Americans killed for some political points, and I would reject that that's it, and appreciate that you framed it as speculation. What's clear however is that US/WESTERN corporations had big plans for Ukraine (Cargill is but one that comes to mind, investing 200,000,000 USD around the time Victoria Nuland was up to her tricks) and big business has very big lobbies and influence over foreign (well, domestic too) policy.
    Do you have a link to support your assertion about Cargill?

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Do you have a link to support your assertion about Cargill?
    As the US and EU apply sanctions on Russia over its annexation’ of Crimea, JP Sottile reveals the corporate annexation of Ukraine. For Cargill, Chevron, Monsanto, there’s a gold mine of profits to be made from agri-business and energy exploitation.

    The potential here for agriculture / agribusiness is amazing … production here could double … Ukraine’s agriculture could be a real gold mine.

    On 12th January 2014, a reported 50,000 “pro-Western” Ukrainians descended upon Kiev’s Independence Square to protest against the government of President Viktor Yanukovych.

    Stoked in part by an attack on opposition leader Yuriy Lutsenko, the protest marked the beginning of the end of Yanukovych’s four year-long government.

    That same day, the Financial Times reported a major deal for US agribusiness titan Cargill.

    Business confidence never faltered.


    http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine...rofits/5375170
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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As the US and EU apply sanctions on Russia over its annexation’ of Crimea, JP Sottile reveals the corporate annexation of Ukraine. For Cargill, Chevron, Monsanto, there’s a gold mine of profits to be made from agri-business and energy exploitation.

    The potential here for agriculture / agribusiness is amazing … production here could double … Ukraine’s agriculture could be a real gold mine.

    On 12th January 2014, a reported 50,000 “pro-Western” Ukrainians descended upon Kiev’s Independence Square to protest against the government of President Viktor Yanukovych.

    Stoked in part by an attack on opposition leader Yuriy Lutsenko, the protest marked the beginning of the end of Yanukovych’s four year-long government.

    That same day, the Financial Times reported a major deal for US agribusiness titan Cargill.

    Business confidence never faltered.


    Ukraine: The Corporate Annexation. “For Cargill, Chevron, Monsanto, It’s a Gold Mine of Profits” | Global Research
    That is very interesting. I wonder at what point in US history did US foreign policy become so centered on the interests of US businesses.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Essentially, what has likely happened is that a Russia, fully integrated into the European system as an independent state with strong sovereignty, was perceived by those with power in the United States as too big of a threat in the long run. A European/Russian partnership in an era where the demise of the dollar is inevitable, was simply something that the US could not tolerate as such a partnership would eventually significantly eclipse the US in the future.

    In the final analysis, that may be what the war is about.
    Which must be why Europe - both east and west - is siding so strongly with Russia on this issue!!

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Which must be why Europe - both east and west - is siding so strongly with Russia on this issue!!

    One of the funniest posts I've ever read on this forum, and that's saying something!
    Actually, if you know anything about it, Europe was not so keen on confronting Russia in this way. What do you think Victoria Nuland's "F the EU" remark was all about?

    You need to think.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That is very interesting. I wonder at what point in US history did US foreign policy become so centered on the interests of US businesses.
    Oh gawd, since US business started going abroad for bananas, pineapple, oil, and any other natural resources that could be exploited. When you hear Washington mention "US INTERESTS" it's almost never your interests or mine.
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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh gawd, since US business started going abroad for bananas, pineapple, oil, and any other natural resources that could be exploited. When you hear Washington mention "US INTERESTS" it's almost never your interests or mine.
    I agree that US citizens interests are not necessarily served by supporting business interests in this way. It would be interesting to trace out the history of it tho.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I agree that US citizens interests are not necessarily served by supporting business interests in this way. It would be interesting to trace out the history of it tho.
    This represents but a fraction of the examples that could be provided.

    The 1954 Guatemalan coup d’état (18–27 June 1954) was a covert operation carried out by the United States Central Intelligence Agency that deposed President Jacobo Árbenz and installed a military regime in his place. The coup was codenamed "Operation PBSUCCESS."

    Guatemala had been ruled since 1930 by the dictator General Jorge Ubico, supported by the United States government. His regime was one of the most brutally repressive military juntas in the history of Central America. In return for U.S. support he gave hundreds of thousands of hectares of highly fertile land to the American United Fruit Company (UFCO), as well as allowing the U.S. military to establish bases in Guatemala.[1][2][3][4][5] In 1944, Ubico's repressive policies resulted in a large popular revolt against him, led by students, intellectuals, and a progressive faction of the military. In what was later called the "October Revolution", Ubico was overthrown, resulting in Guatemala's first democratic election.[6]
    Prior to the Russian Revolution, support for dictators was often based on furthering American economic and political priorities, such as opening foreign markets to American manufacturers.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_...oup_d'état

    The United States has been involved in and assisted in the overthrow of foreign governments (more recently termed "regime change") without the overt use of U.S. military force. Often, such operations are tasked to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

    Regime change has been attempted through direct involvement of U.S. operatives, the funding and training of insurgency groups within these countries, anti-regime propaganda campaigns, coups d'état, and other activities usually conducted as operations by the CIA. The United States has also accomplished regime change by direct military action, such as following the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1989 and the U.S.-led military invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    Some argue that non-transparent United States government agencies working in secret sometimes mislead or do not fully implement the decisions of elected civilian leaders and that this has been an important component of many such operations,[1] see plausible deniability. Some contend that the U.S. has supported more coups against democracies that it perceived as communist, becoming communist, or pro-communist.[1]

    The U.S. has also covertly supported opposition groups in various countries without necessarily attempting to overthrow the government. For example, the CIA funded anti-communist political parties in countries such as Italy and Chile; it also armed Kurdish rebels fighting the Ba'athist government of Iraq in the Second Kurdish-Iraqi War prior to the Algiers Agreement.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover...change_actions
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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Usually when Victoria Nuland's name is mentioned, the neocons typically brush her off as some low level diplomat. Here's an interesting take on Nuland:

    Victoria Nuland’s family ties: The Permanent Government in action | The Occidental Observer - White Identity, Interests, and Culture
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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It is the Eastern Ukraine separatists that coined the name Novorussiya and have been using it since the inception of hostilities. No bloodshed in Crimea and a 95% approval by Crimeans for the annexation. Poroshenko got 28% of the Ukraine electorate to become President. Poroshenko and company attacked their own citizens in Eastern Ukraine and these are the citizens that voted for Yanukovych. A good chance to eliminate your political opposition, don't you think? Russia did not invade Ukraine. Russia had over 20,000 troops in Crimea as part of previous agreements and they stayed and apparently prevented another major bloodshed event orchestrated by Kiev. What you are seeing the the manifestation of the New World Order (corporate control) power structure and trying to control the energy flow to EU for geo-political leverage. You have regurgitated the MSM "talking points" by the presstitutes in the USA. Ask yourself why Poroshenko tried to kill brother Ukrainians? Ask yourself why no diplomacy? Ask yourself if it could be about the huge shale gas deposits in Eastern Ukraine? Tell me why a smart guy like Putin didn't just take Ukraine, if he wanted it? Russia and Putin are the ones being screwed and libelled by the USA and its' diplomatic corps and its' CIA asset press.
    For one thing, at least you are calling it what it is, unlike Monte. And two, sort of hard to have a fair vote when you have Russian troops patrolling the streets don't you think? Or maybe you still think 100% of Iraqis really wanted Saddam in power...

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