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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I haven't the slightest ****ing clue.
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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by calm View Post
    Did you manage to read the article concerning how the media and the CIA are working together? That the main writer or "Security Expert" for the Los Angeles Times and who now is the Associated Press "Intelligence Expert" was/is a CIA agent? (Not much difference between U.S. Main Scream Media and RT or Russia Today.)

    The CIA’s Mop-Up Man: L.A. Times Reporter Cleared Stories With Agency Before Publication
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    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...ia-publication

    I have always claimed that NATO member states are planning to leave the United Nations as China begins to exercise its "clout" within world events. The U.S. is slowly losing or vacating its total control of UN Securtiy Council. It will begin defunding the United Nations in the very near future in order to weaken the U.N. as an International Tool, which was once owned and operated by the Council Of Foreign Relations and the Rockefeller Team. In order to walk away, the U.S. will claim the UN to be "Ineffective".

    Before this happens, Western Europe must be weaned off of Russian energy products.

    The new war in Iraq and the fact that the Kurds were allowed to take over control of additional territory and which contains the largest oil reserves known to mankind, will have a pipeline run through Turkey and then to Europe. Turkey will then be given membership in the EU.

    What I find quite amazing is that the West has been bombing Iraq for 25 years!!!

    Then today they would stand up and claim the are at a loss to understand the absolute "PTSD Induced" anger all across Iraq.

    There were American soldiers returning from Iraq suffering from PTSD and many of them flipped out after returning home and killed their whole damn family. The American soldiers at least got some help and counselling and maybe Dolly Parton showed up to sing a few tunes for them. But not the Iraqi civilians. There are countless Iraqi Refugees wandering aimlessly across the Middle East bent on PTSD revenge.

    The Americans are all upset about cutting somebody's head off, but forget Abu Gharib and the crucifixion photos, the soldiers peeing on dead Afghan civilians, and I could go on and on. The Americans were strapping dead Iraqi Soldiers to the hood of their jeeps and trucking around Iraq.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Essentially, what has likely happened is that a Russia, fully integrated into the European system as an independent state with strong sovereignty, was perceived by those with power in the United States as too big of a threat in the long run. A European/Russian partnership in an era where the demise of the dollar is inevitable, was simply something that the US could not tolerate as such a partnership would eventually significantly eclipse the US in the future.

    In the final analysis, that may be what the war is about.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Essentially, what has likely happened is that a Russia, fully integrated into the European system as an independent state with strong sovereignty, was perceived by those with power in the United States as too big of a threat in the long run. A European/Russian partnership in an era where the demise of the dollar is inevitable, was simply something that the US could not tolerate as such a partnership would eventually significantly eclipse the US in the future.

    In the final analysis, that may be what the war is about.
    IOW US intrigue is behind it?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    IOW US intrigue is behind it?
    Of course it was. That's pretty obvious to anyone looking at the situation realistically.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Of course it was. That's pretty obvious to anyone looking at the situation realistically.
    Indeed! Only patronising Americans.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Indeed! Only patronising Americans.
    I have said before, I really don't have a problem with the US pursuing it's interests. It's the way we go about doing it that bothers me. For instance in Ukraine, if Russia presented a better offer to Yanukovych, if Ukraine is so important, we should have made him a better offer. But this whole business of the Assistant Secretary of State fomenting protest against a democratically elected government and then pushing the situation to the point of the overthrow of the government, was way too heavy handed in a country of such strategic importance to Russia. Yeah, Ukraine is of strategic interest to the US, but it is not a vital interest. It was surely not worth destroying the improved relations with Russia that he US cultivated during the Gorbachev era.

    That said, the US has come out of this with the upper hand, although some, for political purposes would like to paint Obama as weak in comparison to Putin because of this. The reality of the situation is that Ukraine, at least the western part, has been torn from Russia, likely for good. But this has come at the expense of relations with Russia, and could, if not managed properly, result in a very nasty war that will destroy modern human civilization. I really don't think it was worth that.
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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I have said before, I really don't have a problem with the US pursuing it's interests. It's the way we go about doing it that bothers me. For instance in Ukraine, if Russia presented a better offer to Yanukovych, if Ukraine is so important, we should have made him a better offer. But this whole business of the Assistant Secretary of State fomenting protest against a democratically elected government and then pushing to situation to the point of the overthrow of the government, was way to heavy handed in a country of such strategic importance to Russia. Yeah, Ukraine is of strategic interest to the US, but it is not a vital interest. It was surely not worth destroying the improved relations with Russia that he US cultivated during the Gorbachev era.

    That said, the US has come out of this with the upper hand, although some, for political purposes would like to paint Obama as weak in comparison to Putin because of this. The reality of the situation is that Ukraine, at least the western part, has been torn from Russia, likely for good. But this has come at the expense of relations with Russia, and could, if not managed properly, result in a very nasty war that will destroy modern human civilization. I really don't think it was worth that.
    We agree!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    We agree!
    I can't prove it, but I think part of that over aggressiveness was the result of the desire by Obama to finally get a win in after having been outmaneuvered by Putin time and time again. That's just speculation.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I can't prove it, but I think part of that over aggressiveness was the result of the desire by Obama to finally get a win in after having been outmaneuvered by Putin time and time again. That's just speculation.
    Yeah, that's essentially treason, if you get your country involved in hostilities that get Americans killed for some political points, and I would reject that that's it, and appreciate that you framed it as speculation. What's clear however is that US/WESTERN corporations had big plans for Ukraine (Cargill is but one that comes to mind, investing 200,000,000 USD around the time Victoria Nuland was up to her tricks) and big business has very big lobbies and influence over foreign (well, domestic too) policy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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