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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by calm View Post
    Exactly .... If you don't own a piece of the puzzle before the collapse, then you got nothing to say afterwards. To have earned a place at the "Negotiating" table after the collapse, you gotta own it prior the collapse.

    The Capitalists are creating trilions and trillions of paper beads and trinkets (dollars), and dumping them onto the world money markets, polluting the entire world financial system. The Capitalists are printing and distributing as many dollars which the world can swallow and laying claim to half the universe through a "Ponzi Scheme".

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    The system of fractional reserve banking is a Ponzi scheme. It's amazing how the world has bought into it.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The system of fractional reserve banking is a Ponzi scheme. It's amazing how the world has bought into it.
    If Central Banks are behind the Ukraine problems, then it is most certainly a multi-national scheme. The US prints trillions in QE money, Japan prints beaucoup QE money, and now EU talks QE. While all this is ongoing the relative values of these currency do not drop proportionately versus the rest of the World's currencies that didn't write QE paper. The US, EU and Japan represent about 60% of the world's GDP. That's lots of control and lots of room for collusion and perhaps I should add illusion to account for numerical shenanigans, eh? If those entities operated collectively they could cause world-wide stability and instability to profit or operate collectively like the US Treasury Plunge Protection Team. Some Nations used to survive by manipulating their currencies annually to profit enough for the year's budget. You know, float a rumor about disastrous currency killing events when the exact opposite is true and purchase their own currencies just before the good news came out and skyrocketted the currency value. I thing either Bulgaria or Albania were regular players.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    I haven't the slightest ****ing clue.
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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    If Central Banks are behind the Ukraine problems, then it is most certainly a multi-national scheme. The US prints trillions in QE money, Japan prints beaucoup QE money, and now EU talks QE. While all this is ongoing the relative values of these currency do not drop proportionately versus the rest of the World's currencies that didn't write QE paper. The US, EU and Japan represent about 60% of the world's GDP. That's lots of control and lots of room for collusion and perhaps I should add illusion to account for numerical shenanigans, eh? If those entities operated collectively they could cause world-wide stability and instability to profit or operate collectively like the US Treasury Plunge Protection Team. Some Nations used to survive by manipulating their currencies annually to profit enough for the year's budget. You know, float a rumor about disastrous currency killing events when the exact opposite is true and purchase their own currencies just before the good news came out and skyrocketted the currency value. I thing either Bulgaria or Albania were regular players.
    That PPT stuff is something else. One should exercise extreme care when playing the stock market as a result. The PPT adds confusion to an already difficult market. It's difficult to know what move to make if all of a sudden the PPT steps in and reverses the results of the market. Unless you have some inside information.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It is the Eastern Ukraine separatists that coined the name Novorussiya and have been using it since the inception of hostilities. No bloodshed in Crimea
    Absolute nonsense, the Crimea has been ethnically cleansed of at least 35,000 ethnic Ukrainians since the illegal Russian invasion, occupation, and annexation of that sovereign Ukrainian territory, you strike me as someone who would have asserted "no bloodshed in Austria and Czechoslovakia" in 1938 as justification for imperialistic expansionism through offensive military force.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That PPT stuff is something else. One should exercise extreme care when playing the stock market as a result. The PPT adds confusion to an already difficult market. It's difficult to know what move to make if all of a sudden the PPT steps in and reverses the results of the market. Unless you have some inside information.
    I don't believe the PPT is limited to the stock market. Commodities, Forex, etc. Any plunge and the operators will be in the Market for economic advantage. Perhaps that why USTreasury, Goldman, JPMorgan and the Fed seem to have revolving door employee relationships. Keep the players inside the loop.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Absolute nonsense, the Crimea has been ethnically cleansed of at least 35,000 ethnic Ukrainians since the illegal Russian invasion, occupation, and annexation of that sovereign Ukrainian territory, you strike me as someone who would have asserted "no bloodshed in Austria and Czechoslovakia" in 1938 as justification for imperialistic expansionism through offensive military force.

    35,000 bodies, so it should be real easy for you to provide a photo or ten to prove that. Otherwise your comic book suscription
    has caused minor neurological disfunction and maybe adding sodium to your diet will improve synaptic performance, but I doubt it.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    35,000 bodies, so it should be real easy for you to provide a photo or ten to prove that. Otherwise your comic book suscription
    has caused minor neurological disfunction and maybe adding sodium to your diet will improve synaptic performance, but I doubt it.
    I didn't say genocide I said ethnic cleansing.

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    “We are talking of a reign of fear, if not of terror” in the pockets of territory around Donetsk and Luhansk controlled by armed separatists and now experiencing a state of total lawlessness, Mr. Magazzeni said, citing cases of people shot at checkpoints for no reason and members of armed groups who were summarily shot because they no longer wanted to fight.

    “The escalation in criminal activity resulting in human rights abuses is no longer limited to targeting journalists, elected representatives, local politicians, civil servants and civil society activists,” the report stated. “Abductions, detentions, acts of ill-treatment and torture, and killings by armed groups are now affecting the broader population of the two eastern regions.”

    The United Nations refugee agency has reported that more than 34,000 Ukrainians have been displaced. Most were from Crimea, where people who speak Ukrainian or do not want to change their nationality to Russian face discrimination and intimidation, Mr. Magazzeni said.

    “They are mostly concerned about security: people report staying in cellars to keep away from the fighting, facing harassment at checkpoints and fearing the increasingly common abductions, threats and extortion,” the monitors reported.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/wo...aine.html?_r=0

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I don't believe the PPT is limited to the stock market. Commodities, Forex, etc. Any plunge and the operators will be in the Market for economic advantage. Perhaps that why USTreasury, Goldman, JPMorgan and the Fed seem to have revolving door employee relationships. Keep the players inside the loop.
    That's a great point about the US Treasury Secretary and Goldman Sachs and Citigroup. Hank Paulson and Robert Rubin were from Goldman Sachs.

    I would not be surprised if a guy like Warren Buffet gets a lot of inside info from such people.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Usually when Victoria Nuland's name is mentioned, the neocons typically brush her off as some low level diplomat. Here's an interesting take on Nuland:

    Victoria Nuland’s family ties: The Permanent Government in action | The Occidental Observer - White Identity, Interests, and Culture

    Intertwined Jewish power families are an important aspect of Jewish history, cementing business relationships by creating networks of close relatives who married only among themselves—e.g., the Court Jews of 17th- and 18th-century Europe (see here, pp 150-152). We see echoes of that in the contemporary world, as among the neocons.

    As with the other Jewish intellectual movements I have studied, neoconservatives have a history of mutual admiration, close, mutually supportive personal, professional, and familial relationships, and focused cooperation in pursuit of common goals. For example, Norman Podhoretz, the former editor of Commentary, is the father of John Podhoretz, a neoconservative editor and columnist. Norman Podhoretz is also the father-in-law of Elliott Abrams, the former head of the Ethics and Public Policy Center (a neoconservative think tank) and the director of Near Eastern affairs at the National Security Council. Norman’s wife, Midge Decter, recently published a hagiographic biography of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, whose number-two and number-three deputies at the Pentagon, respectively, are Wolfowitz and Feith. Perle is a fellow at the AEI. He originally helped Wolfowitz obtain a job with the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency in 1973. In 1982, Perle, as Deputy Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy, hired Feith for a position as his Special Counsel, and then as Deputy Assistant Secretary for Negotiations Policy. In 2001, Deputy Secretary of Defense Wolfowitz helped Feith obtain an appointment as Undersecretary for Policy. Feith then appointed Perle as chairman of the Defense Policy Board. This is only the tip of a very large iceberg. “Neoconservatism as a Jewish movement” (p. 32)

    Ethnic networking and ties cemented by marriage are on display in the flap over Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland’s phone conversation with Geoffrey Pyatt, U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine. As VDARE’s Steve Sailer puts it, Nuland is a member of a talented, energetic [Jewish] family that is part of the Permanent Government of the United States. It doesn’t really matter who wins the Presidential election: some Kagan-Nuland will be doing something somewhere in your name and on your dime.
    The Kagan connection is via her husband, Robert Kagan. As noted by Your Lying Eyes, “Robert and brother Fred seem to have strategically implanted themselves in key policy-making positions within the Democratic and Republican party apparatus. Robert is embedded at Brookings, while Fred is ensconsed at AEI.”

    So we have another Jewish neocon family tree, beginning with Donald Kagan, a Yale historian whose history of the Peloponnesia War has been used by neocons as a rationale for invasions of countries Israel doesn’t like (see Sailer). Donald Kagan was also a signatory to a 2002 letter to George W. Bush put out by Bill Kristol’s Project for the New American Century (PNAC) equating threats to Israel (Iran, Syria, Iraq) with threats to the U.S.
    The next generation, Fred Kagan (American Enterprise Institute) and Robert Kagan (Brookings) are neocon stalwarts as well. (E.g., Donald, Robert and Frederick are all signatories to the neocon manifesto, Rebuilding America’s Defenses (2000), put out by PNAC.) They and their wives, are all graduates of elite universities and well entrenched in the neocon thinktank/government infrastructure. Fred’s wife Kimberly (nee Kessler) is the head of the Institute for the Study of War and holds typical neocon positions.
    And although U.S. policy toward Ukraine likely stems from other issues besides the neocon hostility toward Russia (the latter due to issues such as Putin’s crackdown on the oligarchs and Russia’s support of Israel’s enemies, Iran and Syria), there be little doubt that Nuland’s energetic support of the pro-EU opposition to the Yanukovych government dovetails with the attitudes of her neocon network. Our Permanent Government at work.

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