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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    All things as you described, certainly. Now then, let me ask you a hypothetical.

    Suppose that Yanukovych had discontinued negotiations with Russia, deciding that Ukraine would get a better deal from the EU, and forged an agreement with them, resulting in a large portion of Ukrainian population protesting with Russian support, that morphed into a coup that resulted in the removal of Yanukovych, replacing him with a pro-Russian government that would now sign deals with Russia that favored Russian business interests. And the EU/US responded by moving into Western Ukraine and annexing it. Would you support that.
    Except the only reason why Yanukovych didn't join the EU agreement in the first place is because Putin began waging economic war against the Ukraine by imposing an embargo against Ukrainian goods. This entire situation is a direct result of Russian interventionism and nothing else, anyone who says differently is either a liar, a payed propagandist, or both.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Except the only reason why Yanukovych didn't join the EU agreement in the first place is because Putin began waging economic war against the Ukraine by imposing an embargo against Ukrainian goods. This entire situation is a direct result of Russian interventionism and nothing else, anyone who says differently is either a liar, a payed propagandist, or both.
    Do you always accuse everyone that disagrees with you of being a paid propagandist and a liar? You haven't a clue what your talking about. Get your head out of the sand and read something besides US propaganda.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    While individual Israeli soldiers have committed war crimes the same as any army ever the state of Israel has not committed war crimes as a matter of government policy, the UNGA has no legal authority to find anyone guilty of anything.
    Wow, you really don't know how things work. They don't have any authority to hold Israel accountable, but they most certainly are charged with and have a mechanism for which to file resolutions as such and indeed have now around 90 chapter six resolutions on Israel. You're far too patronizing to be taken serious.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Do you always accuse everyone that disagrees with you of being a paid propagandist and a liar?
    It's a fact jack:

    Web brigades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Russia's Online-Comment Propaganda Army - The Atlantic
    Putin Paying People To Post Pro-Russia Propaganda In Comments - Business Insider
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/do...america#bsk7he


    You haven't a clue what your talking about. Get your head out of the sand and read something besides US propaganda.
    Unlike the authoritarian quasi-Fascist state of Russia the US has a free press.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wow, you really don't know how things work. They don't have any authority to hold Israel accountable, but they most certainly are charged with and have a mechanism for which to file resolutions as such and indeed have now around 90 chapter six resolutions on Israel. You're far too patronizing to be taken serious.
    UNGA resolutions do not have the force of international law and with good reason, they are dominated by the OIC which is an organization which would love to see Israel wiped off the map and the Jews pushed into the sea.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    UNGA resolutions do not have the force of international law and with good reason, they are dominated by the OIC which is an organization which would love to see Israel wiped off the map and the Jews pushed into the sea.
    What is happening in Ukraine is the result of five years of Barack Obama's weakness. Putin has watched him show it, again and again in different situations, and taken his measure. He probably sees Obama as a prissy fool. The danger now is that continued weakness by President Limpwrist may tempt Russia's leaders to believe they can get away with moves on the Baltic states. A failure to respond to that with military force would destroy NATO's credibility for good, but I'm far from certain Obama would not let that happen. He wants to see this country humbled.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Lol, how old are you? You're quite naive.

    Operation Mockingbird was a secret campaign by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to influence media. Begun in the 1950s, it was initially organized by Cord Meyer and Allen W. Dulles, it was later led by Frank Wisner after Dulles became the head of the CIA. The organization recruited leading American journalists into a network to help present the CIA's views, and funded some student and cultural organizations, and magazines as fronts. As it developed, it also worked to influence foreign media and political campaigns, in addition to activities by other operating units of the CIA.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

    The secretive GCHQ and JTRIG training manual which was leaked via Glenn Greenwald and Ed Snowden show an even dirtier side to our governments’ new ‘digital Stasi’. Their report means that the public can finally put an ugly face on this disease which is ruining the internet. First Look explains:

    “Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums.”
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    UNGA resolutions do not have the force of international law and with good reason, they are dominated by the OIC which is an organization which would love to see Israel wiped off the map and the Jews pushed into the sea.
    No UNGA resolutions have any force, unless and until a country decides to go enforce them (as we did in Iraq in 2003). Otherwise, they are just resolutions.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol, how old are you? You're quite naive.

    Operation Mockingbird was a secret campaign by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to influence media. Begun in the 1950s, it was initially organized by Cord Meyer and Allen W. Dulles, it was later led by Frank Wisner after Dulles became the head of the CIA. The organization recruited leading American journalists into a network to help present the CIA's views, and funded some student and cultural organizations, and magazines as fronts. As it developed, it also worked to influence foreign media and political campaigns, in addition to activities by other operating units of the CIA.

    Operation Mockingbird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This dealt with foreign media and was discontinued in 1976.

    The secretive GCHQ and JTRIG training manual which was leaked via Glenn Greenwald and Ed Snowden show an even dirtier side to our governments’ new ‘digital Stasi’. Their report means that the public can finally put an ugly face on this disease which is ruining the internet. First Look explains:

    “Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums.”

    I notice you provide no link for your second source, shocking. Ed Snowden is a proven liar. Provide first hand accounts of those actually in the employ of any service in the US government to troll internet forums and post propaganda the way my sources have done. You can't because they don't exist, however, the evidence regarding the authoritarian Russian regime paying propagandists to troll internet forums by the post has been presented and you have nothing as a rebuttal save for pointing to anti-Soviet propaganda efforts during the cold war ended in the mid-70s and nonsense from a questionable source with absolutely no substantiating evidence to back the claims therein.

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    Re: What is the War in Ukraine about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No UNGA resolutions have any force, unless and until a country decides to go enforce them (as we did in Iraq in 2003). Otherwise, they are just resolutions.
    You can't enforce UNGA resolutions period, they are not international law, they're strongly worded letters, do you even know the difference between a UNSC Resolution and a UNGA Resolution?

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