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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Terrorism is a technique, which is utilized by citizens and legal residents far more frequently than by foreigners.

    Boston Marathon bombing, Oklahoma City bombing, the Weathermen, the SLA, Earth First!, Joseph Stack flying a plane into an IRS building, 2012 Sikh Temple shooting, 2009 Fort Hood shooting, 2002 Beltway Sniper attacks, on and on and on....

    Not to mention cyber attacks, which can be initiated by pretty much anyone anywhere in the world with an Internet connection.

    Most importantly of all, the odds of anyone in the US being killed by terrorism is extremely small. 9/11, as horrific as it was, was responsible for 0.08% of all deaths in the US in 2001. As one article put it, You're More Likely to Die from Brain-Eating Parasites, Alcoholism, Obesity, Medical Errors, Risky Sexual Behavior or Just About Anything OTHER THAN Terrorism.


    Ultimately, terrorism is a method whose true effectiveness is not reflected in its death counts, but in the fear it sows, and the over-reactions it provokes. We also pay more attention to big, splashy, out-of-our-control events like a bombing than to, say, smoking tobacco -- which now kills almost half a million people a year.

    So, yes. We can certainly still be safe, even if we don't put the US inside a giant bubble to seal out The Others. That is, if we stop smoking cigarettes.
    When you live in a country of 310 million small percentages are not all that comforting. Even just a 1% rate means thousands.

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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So you think that by appeasing terrorists who decapitate children they will somehow leave us alone?
    For the second time. Minding your own business is not appeasement. The Swiss mind their own business, do you think they are appeasers?

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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    If a terrorist wants to get in here it's not going to matter whether or not we have a fence up.
    Then why bother to try to secure the borders of the U.S. at all?

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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    so is that a guarantee on your part?

    or just hopefulness?
    It's a conclusion based on the available information, as opposed to one based on just making stuff up. Which kind of conclusion do you think is better?
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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    even with virtually closed borders it would not be safe. More homegrown terrorists are a threat to security IMO or those who come in on visa's from Europe/Asia.

    The open borders with Mexico are not a terrorist threat but a real and very dangerous a drugs cartel and criminal violence threat.
    I'll agree with you but will say the drug cartel and criminal violence are a terrorist threat. When I saw the breaking news on cnn about the latest beheading, we looked up beheading and the first three videos were drug cartel beheadings. They are famous for that, but for some reason don't get much American press.
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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    MS-13 aka Mara Salvatruchas are all illegal aliens who illegally crossed our southern border except for those MS-13 gang members who Obama has allowed to cross our border just in the past few month by giving them a court date. I doubt any will show up, MS-13 says "Obama is the man."

    Where ever MS-13 is found in America's neighborhoods, people live in terror.

    Mara Salvatruchas (MS-13) | Terrorist Groups | TRAC

    >"WASHINGTON – The U.S. Department of the Treasury today designated the Latin American gang Mara Salvatrucha, known as MS-13, pursuant to Executive Order (E.O.) 13581, which targets significant transnational criminal organizations (TCOs) and their supporters. MS-13 is being targeted for its involvement in serious transnational criminal activities, including drug trafficking, kidnapping, human smuggling, sex trafficking, murder, assassinations, racketeering, blackmail, extortion, and immigration offenses..."<
    Treasury Sanctions Latin American Criminal Organization

    FBI — MS-13 Threat Assessment

    From Prison to Gangs to the World's Most Notorious Terrorist Group
    >" The MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha) gang's33 connection to al Qaeda was facilitated after 9/11 when the terrorist group realized the gang could help smuggle operatives and weapons into the U.S. over the Mexican border. According to Steven McCraw, the former assistant director of the FBI's Office of Intelligence and current director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, a matricula consular 34 provides an opportunity for terrorists to move freely within the U.S. without triggering name-based watch lists..."<
    From Prison to Gangs to the World's Most Notorious Terrorist Group | Organized Retail Crime Goes Global | FT Press





    MS-13 gang labeled transnational criminal group
    MS-13 gang labeled transnational criminal group, a first for US street gang - CSMonitor.com
    Apache, you make a good point about the terrorism threat of gangs like MS until you say MS claims Obama is the man. Now I know you will put up your stock picture of a dark skinned group of guys with a lot of scary tattoos that say that Obama is the man but there is no concrete proof that Obama backs MS. If you can't provide actual proof, then you should really stopped that claim.
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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Then why bother to try to secure the borders of the U.S. at all?
    You're catching on.

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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Apache, you make a good point about the terrorism threat of gangs like MS until you say MS claims Obama is the man. Now I know you will put up your stock picture of a dark skinned group of guys with a lot of scary tattoos that say that Obama is the man but there is no concrete proof that Obama backs MS. If you can't provide actual proof, then you should really stopped that claim.
    He'll claim Obama's policy supports MS and his motives are unknowable (irrelevant or according to his narrative).

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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post

    A recent leaked Border Patrol document Darby CBP Leak Numbers Globe shows that tens of thousands of foreigners are caught sneaking into the US each year. For every one caught, certainly more get through-and NOT just from latin America. At the same time, Obama encourages a massive influx of illegals with very little or no documentation. On top of this we have unsavory characters from Mexico's drug cartels, and human smugglers coming through because they know they CAN.


    And yet our border remains porous-with some claiming a secure border is racist, intolerant, a waste of time , etc. Drugs, and people can get through-and terrorists will exploit that as much as human smugglers and drug traffickers, I believe. We know terrorists HAVE gotten through-and its one reason why Homeland Security is on edge right now, expecting more attacks.

    Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?
    Terrorism is a probability, given enough time you'll see an attack; it'll never be zero. Often times in the pursuit of zero, we end up in a worse situation. Are we "safe" from terrorist incursion? No, and even with totally closed boarders the answer is still no.
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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It's a conclusion based on the available information, as opposed to one based on just making stuff up. Which kind of conclusion do you think is better?
    well....it probably depends on where you get your information

    i am a corp controller....i deal in contingencies....and liabilities

    and my job is to lessen all contingent liabilities when appropriate

    we know people around the world HATE us.....

    and yet, we basically have an open border

    not saying we can keep everyone out.....

    but maybe we should be a bit more careful.....dontcha think?
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