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Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 5 13.9%

  • Im not American, yes.

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 19 52.8%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 3 8.3%

  • Im not American, no.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im an American neither right nor left, yes.

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • Im an American neither right nor left, no.

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • Total voters
    36
US Conservative said:
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A recent leaked Border Patrol document Darby CBP Leak Numbers Globe shows that tens of thousands of foreigners are caught sneaking into the US each year. For every one caught, certainly more get through-and NOT just from latin America. At the same time, Obama encourages a massive influx of illegals with very little or no documentation. On top of this we have unsavory characters from Mexico's drug cartels, and human smugglers coming through because they know they CAN.
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And yet our border remains porous-with some claiming a secure border is racist, intolerant, a waste of time :roll:, etc. Drugs, and people can get through-and terrorists will exploit that as much as human smugglers and drug traffickers, I believe. We know terrorists HAVE gotten through-and its one reason why Homeland Security is on edge right now, expecting more attacks.

Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?
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This is something that we need to think real hard about when the next election rolls around. Especially if we have a terrorist attack launched by terrorists who snuck across the border.

Some of our congress-critters have had plenty of time to spend trying to sabotage the ACA, but they couldn't find time to secure our borders.
 
TeleKat said:
If a terrorist wants to get in here it's not going to matter whether or not we have a fence up.
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Don't worry, we'll never going to be able to test that theory.
 
Paschendale said:
And why do you disagree? Because you don't like our immigration policies? Or do you actually have some evidence that this problem exists? If you do, please share it. Otherwise, this is an unfounded fear and no cause to try to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
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Im the son of an immigrant-neither my father nor me like illegal immigration. Its a known portal of entry, and you seem content reacting afterwords. Just like ISIS was the JV team, etc.
 
Visbek said:
Terrorism is a technique, which is utilized by citizens and legal residents far more frequently than by foreigners.

Boston Marathon bombing, Oklahoma City bombing, the Weathermen, the SLA, Earth First!, Joseph Stack flying a plane into an IRS building, 2012 Sikh Temple shooting, 2009 Fort Hood shooting, 2002 Beltway Sniper attacks, on and on and on....

Not to mention cyber attacks, which can be initiated by pretty much anyone anywhere in the world with an Internet connection.

Most importantly of all, the odds of anyone in the US being killed by terrorism is extremely small. 9/11, as horrific as it was, was responsible for 0.08% of all deaths in the US in 2001. As one article put it, You're More Likely to Die from Brain-Eating Parasites, Alcoholism, Obesity, Medical Errors, Risky Sexual Behavior or Just About Anything OTHER THAN Terrorism.


Ultimately, terrorism is a method whose true effectiveness is not reflected in its death counts, but in the fear it sows, and the over-reactions it provokes. We also pay more attention to big, splashy, out-of-our-control events like a bombing than to, say, smoking tobacco -- which now kills almost half a million people a year.

So, yes. We can certainly still be safe, even if we don't put the US inside a giant bubble to seal out The Others. That is, if we stop smoking cigarettes. ;)
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This is precious. You think that because other means to utilize terrorism exist, that we should keep a border that elderly women can walk across.
Its clear you have forgotten 9/11 and the expensive lessons learned.
 
gdgyva said:
so evil doesnt exist.....and if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone...right?

i wonder how the jews would respond to that line of thought?
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Take a look at the poll results, most of us understand that you can build a fort and play nice, but if you leave your back door unlocked whats the point?
 
PoS said:
For the second time. Minding your own business is not appeasement. The Swiss mind their own business, do you think they are appeasers? :roll:
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The swiss, like most of western europe are able to mind their business because they are protected to an extent by the US. I could never justify terror.
 
Paschendale said:
It's a conclusion based on the available information, as opposed to one based on just making stuff up. Which kind of conclusion do you think is better?
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Its your opinion, based on what you'd like to be the case. There is no evidence to back your claim. Perhaps you should put out public service announcements to leave doors unlocked.
 
US Conservative said:
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A recent leaked Border Patrol document Darby CBP Leak Numbers Globe shows that tens of thousands of foreigners are caught sneaking into the US each year. For every one caught, certainly more get through-and NOT just from latin America. At the same time, Obama encourages a massive influx of illegals with very little or no documentation. On top of this we have unsavory characters from Mexico's drug cartels, and human smugglers coming through because they know they CAN.
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And yet our border remains porous-with some claiming a secure border is racist, intolerant, a waste of time :roll:, etc. Drugs, and people can get through-and terrorists will exploit that as much as human smugglers and drug traffickers, I believe. We know terrorists HAVE gotten through-and its one reason why Homeland Security is on edge right now, expecting more attacks.

Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?
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The 911 highjackers, the 1996 world trade center bombers, the '96 Olympic bomber, nor the Boston bombers came across the Mexican border: what does that tell you?

This BS about "terrorists crossing at the Mexican border" (because they look Mexican) is just a right-wing meme designed to scare people into building a complete wall at the border and protecting the employment of illegals.
 
americanwoman said:
I'll agree with you but will say the drug cartel and criminal violence are a terrorist threat. When I saw the breaking news on cnn about the latest beheading, we looked up beheading and the first three videos were drug cartel beheadings. They are famous for that, but for some reason don't get much American press.
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They do around here in southern california. Ive worked 911 in areas where the cartels are-and seen their executions twice-a hanging and a disembowelment.
 
shrubnose said:
This is something that we need to think real hard about when the next election rolls around. Especially if we have a terrorist attack launched by terrorists who snuck across the border.

Some of our congress-critters have had plenty of time to spend trying to sabotage the ACA, but they couldn't find time to secure our borders.
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If only we had an actual leader instead of Obama. Perhaps after the mid terms that will be more evident. In the end, democrats are soft on terror and its plain to see.
 
jet57 said:
The 911 highjackers, the 1996 world trade center bombers, the '96 Olympic bomber, nor the Boston bombers came across the Mexican border: what does that tell you?
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It tells me you dont understand the concepts and subject matter being discussed. Nobody said terrorists only sneak across the border.

It also tells me you dont know what year the first WTC bombings occurred.
 
US Conservative said:
It tells me you dont understand the concepts and subject matter being discussed. Nobody said terrorists only sneak across the border.

It also tells me you dont know what year the first WTC bombings occurred.
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You're not saying anything.
 
US Conservative said:
If only we had an actual leader instead of Obama.
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 Perhaps after the mid terms that will be more evident. In the end, democrats are soft on terror and its plain to see.
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The GOP had two chance and couldn't beat Obama either time.

What is the GOP's problem?




"Better day's are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
US Conservative said:
The swiss, like most of western europe are able to mind their business because they are protected to an extent by the US. I could never justify terror.
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Were the Swiss protected by the US when the Nazis were invading Europe in the 1930's?
 
americanwoman said:
Apache, you make a good point about the terrorism threat of gangs like MS until you say MS claims Obama is the man. Now I know you will put up your stock picture of a dark skinned group of guys with a lot of scary tattoos that say that Obama is the man but there is no concrete proof that Obama backs MS. If you can't provide actual proof, then you should really stopped that claim.
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It's just not MS-13 but also 18th Street Gang which is another illegal alien street gang. None of these gang bangers vote and they aren't political but I've talked to many and they like Obama. Right now they along with most illegal aliens have little fear of being deported with Obama in the White House.

Just a couple of weeks ago the Obama administration released back into our communities what was it, 134 illegal aliens who have already been convicted of homicides. I bet these murders are saying Obama is the man.

MS-13 meets every definition of being a terrorist organization except for one requirement, they aren't political.
 
shrubnose said:
The GOP had two chance and couldn't beat Obama either time.

What is the GOP's problem?




"Better day's are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
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I could write a book on whats wrong with the GOP, however they are better on issues of national security, certainly terrorism.
 
PoS said:
Were the Swiss protected by the US when the Nazis were invading Europe in the 1930's?
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No but neither was the rest of western europe at that time, so its a silly and pointless analogy. The swiss were quite eager to take europes money during the war.
 
APACHERAT said:
It's just not MS-13 but also 18th Street Gang which is another illegal alien street gang. None of these gang bangers vote and they aren't political but I've talked to many and they like Obama. Right now they along with most illegal aliens have little fear of being deported with Obama in the White House.

Just a couple of weeks ago the Obama administration released back into our communities what was it, 134 illegal aliens who have already been convicted of homicides. I bet these murders are saying Obama is the man.

MS-13 meets every definition of being a terrorist organization except for one requirement, they aren't political.
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Dont forget the avenue gangs either. Largely gangs based in latin American, all thugs.
 
shrubnose said:
The GOP had two chance and couldn't beat Obama either time.

What is the GOP's problem?
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They, the GOP never read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals."

The GOP needs to lie and keep lying until the majority starts believing the lies. It worked for Obama.
 
US Conservative said:
Dont forget the avenue gangs either. Largely gangs based in latin American, all thugs.
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The Avenue Gang, I know who they are. Their turf is around Highland Park and this is the Latino gang that drives around looking for black Americans and shoot them on sight. Doesn't matter if it's a 10 year old black girl or a 80 year old black man. If you have black skin, you are targeted.

It was the SPLC who refused to label the Avenue Gang as a hate group because the SPLC said they weren't political. After more than a decade of defending the Avenue Gang the SPLC finally did label the Avenue Gang as a hate group, but they cringed when they did. There are six other Latino gangs in the L.A. metro area who also target blacks.
 
US Conservative said:
Pretty sure I did-we can't pretend to protect against terror when any old woman can walk across the border.

Take a look at the poll results, what do you think those who have voted are saying?
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My point is; it wasn't the place of entry for other terrorist acts. Terrorists can arrive through any entry point in our country; as we have seen, and picking on the Mexican border says nothing other than fear that border. The right has been trying to get everyboduy all whipped up about teh Mexican border whl at the very asme time doing nothing to eliminte the reasons that illegals come accross. Therefore, based on the evidence, it is notong but fear mongering put out inorder to fufill an agenda.
 
US Conservative said:
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A recent leaked Border Patrol document Darby CBP Leak Numbers Globe shows that tens of thousands of foreigners are caught sneaking into the US each year. For every one caught, certainly more get through-and NOT just from latin America. At the same time, Obama encourages a massive influx of illegals with very little or no documentation. On top of this we have unsavory characters from Mexico's drug cartels, and human smugglers coming through because they know they CAN.
isis-muslim-terrorism-coming-into-united-states-through-open-southern-borders.jpg


And yet our border remains porous-with some claiming a secure border is racist, intolerant, a waste of time :roll:, etc. Drugs, and people can get through-and terrorists will exploit that as much as human smugglers and drug traffickers, I believe. We know terrorists HAVE gotten through-and its one reason why Homeland Security is on edge right now, expecting more attacks.

Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?
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I do not mean to challenge my friend, but raise some questions.

First, "open border" kind of says there is only one, and the map doesn't even acknowledge the Canadian border, which with Alaska is about six times as long as Mexico.

Two, the only terrorist ever known to try to make in from a neighboring country was the LAX bomber who was arrested by a border guard while leaving a ferry that had just come in from Victoria BC.

I suspect the difference is that Canadians do not have an overwhelming desire to live there and, unlike Mexicans have not been invited.

But I find it strange that immediately after 911 there was a hue and cry in the States as to the fact they had come from Canada and there were others....but now we are forgotten.

Canadians deeply resent any minority not being included and as one I demand we be put on the list of suspicion along with those pampered Mexicans
 
jet57 said:
The 911 highjackers, the 1996 world trade center bombers, the '96 Olympic bomber, nor the Boston bombers came across the Mexican border: what does that tell you?

This BS about "terrorists crossing at the Mexican border" (because they look Mexican) is just a right-wing meme designed to scare people into building a complete wall at the border and protecting the employment of illegals.
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One, it tells me that you don't know history and that Terrorists have had a far easier means than the Rio Grande from which to infiltrate so far.

And you forget about the LAX bomber who was arrested coming in from Canada.
 
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