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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    We, you and I, we couldn't do anything about it even if we wanted to. It's out of our hands and we have to live with the consequences of the decisions our elected representatives make, or don't make.
    By We, I meant Americans in general. Living as a subject of our representatives isn't good enough for me. They represent us.

    THEY need to respond to our demands, or they go away.

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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    It falls under National Security so the default choice is to Don't Say Anything. Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't get leaked, but word on Infiltration is few and far in-between which is evidenced by none of the top U.S. Media Companies running an Infiltration story even after I sent several e-mails with the C-SPAN video itself & the transcript of what the DNI had said.

    If something happens, I already know who I'm pointing my finger at.
    I'd like to hear about the incident you are referring to. Where can I read up on it?

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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Somehow he knows. Im sure our govt would tell us right away if it did happen.
    Oh yeah, we could really depend on the "most transparent" administration ever. Obama would have to hear it the same time as most Americans hear of it.

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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    MS-13 aka Mara Salvatruchas are all illegal aliens who illegally crossed our southern border except for those MS-13 gang members who Obama has allowed to cross our border just in the past few month by giving them a court date. I doubt any will show up, MS-13 says "Obama is the man."

    Where ever MS-13 is found in America's neighborhoods, people live in terror.

    Mara Salvatruchas (MS-13) | Terrorist Groups | TRAC

    >"WASHINGTON – The U.S. Department of the Treasury today designated the Latin American gang Mara Salvatrucha, known as MS-13, pursuant to Executive Order (E.O.) 13581, which targets significant transnational criminal organizations (TCOs) and their supporters. MS-13 is being targeted for its involvement in serious transnational criminal activities, including drug trafficking, kidnapping, human smuggling, sex trafficking, murder, assassinations, racketeering, blackmail, extortion, and immigration offenses..."<
    Treasury Sanctions Latin American Criminal Organization

    FBI — MS-13 Threat Assessment

    From Prison to Gangs to the World's Most Notorious Terrorist Group
    >" The MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha) gang's33 connection to al Qaeda was facilitated after 9/11 when the terrorist group realized the gang could help smuggle operatives and weapons into the U.S. over the Mexican border. According to Steven McCraw, the former assistant director of the FBI's Office of Intelligence and current director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, a matricula consular 34 provides an opportunity for terrorists to move freely within the U.S. without triggering name-based watch lists..."<
    From Prison to Gangs to the World's Most Notorious Terrorist Group | Organized Retail Crime Goes Global | FT Press





    MS-13 gang labeled transnational criminal group
    MS-13 gang labeled transnational criminal group, a first for US street gang - CSMonitor.com
    How can we keep this nation safe if any thug can not only sneak over here-but be welcomed by democrats?

    Tangentially, I saw the movie Get the Gringo this week, its outstanding.

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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    By We, I meant Americans in general. Living as a subject of our representatives isn't good enough for me. They represent us.

    THEY need to respond to our demands, or they go away.
    That's the old model. We're under a new model now - we don't matter. What we say or think doesn't matter when someone with more zeroes in his bank account can talk to the Leadership in Congress or the Executive Branch including the POTUS. Representative Democracy is but a thin concealer of what truly lies beneath: oligarchy, plutocracy & cronyism.

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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    You can have an open border and be safe from terrorists as long as you dont militarily intervene in other countries so yes, its possible.

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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    If a terrorist wants to get in here it's not going to matter whether or not we have a fence up.
    Yes I agree.

    The way terrorists engage is through influencing citizens who are already there in USA. If you want to prevent this influence you need to teach citizens some critical thinking skills so as they could stop such a self-defeating and society-defeating influence.
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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    You can have an open border and be safe from terrorists as long as you dont militarily intervene in other countries so yes, its possible.
    So you think that by appeasing terrorists who decapitate children they will somehow leave us alone?

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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    Is it possible? Sure it is. Is it the most likely way for terrorists to infiltrate? No, not really - the northern border is when we discuss border security only, based on historical events, but the southern border posses problems for terrorists that the northern border does not. Is cross border infiltration on foot the most likely way it would occur? No, again, not really - historically terrorists have infiltrated using Education Visas or other visas and then radicalize locals to do the work in cells that they create. Most recently, terrorists have turned to radicalization of US citizens and legal US residents via the internet and other technology, as was done with the Boston Bombers and other numerous examples. The newest threat emerging is what Europe, and to a lesser degree the US, is currently facing with radicalized citizens and legal residents using their passports to travel to the ME, get trained and equipped, and then potentially use that same passport to come back home to radicalize, recruit and train other citizens and legal residents to enact terrorist attacks.

    Closing our open border is a must. But, not for the reason in the OP. Also, to use potential terrorist infiltration as a reason to close and secure our border (and when I say border in this entire post, I mean all of our borders around the world that can be used as a port of entry as well as the land borders with Canada and Mexico) only moves the discussion from the real and present dangers to the realm of the CT which allows the open border supporters and apologists to muddy the waters and reduce the true need for a closed and secure border. As seen in this thread already.

    Let's close the border, enforce our immigration laws, maintain an organized and humane immigration system that keeps the US the most diversified and technology advancing country we can be, and put the terrorist argument where it belongs, which is not at the border. A closed and secure border is not the same as keeping people out - it allows people that follow our laws and our procedures to come and go as they please, but restricts to just those that do follow our laws and procedures.

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    Re: Can the US be safe from terrorist incursion with our current open border?

    even with virtually closed borders it would not be safe. More homegrown terrorists are a threat to security IMO or those who come in on visa's from Europe/Asia.

    The open borders with Mexico are not a terrorist threat but a real and very dangerous a drugs cartel and criminal violence threat.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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