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Thread: Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Who is responsible?

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    Re: Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Who is responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    However, if you stub your toe and don't fall down the stairs you may complain a bit more than you would in the latter example, but you're still not going to complain much because it's just a stubbed toe. You're not likely going to make it out to be like you just broke your leg.

    Admittedly, as I ALREADY SAID, a lot of my musing and expression of my thoughts on this is based off other things I've read be it on my facebook feed, articles, or other forums.

    One particular person I was dealing with on another forum (and likely shaped some of my heated response here) who said not a peep about the privacy issues of the sterling case but whose suggested this "invasion of privacy" is a "non-consexual form of sexual violence" ala rape. An "invasion of privacy" that should make us "terrified". That "privacy is everything" and that it's "repulsive" that people seem to not be bothered by this because "women are hot so it's okay". That anyone seeking out these pictures in any way are "engaging in violence against a womans body". That this invasion of privacy is an act of "psychic violence which constitues a form of assault".

    If this is one's views on "privacy" in this issue, and your views on "privacy" on the Sterling issue were "that's too bad, but..." at best, then I call "bull****" on the notion that your care is about "privacy" and not something else. This isn't like stubbing your toe in both cases, but one you fall down the stairs. This is like stubbing your toe in both situations, but one you fall down the stairs and say next to nothing about the toe and in the other you act like you just got sliced in half from your toe to the tip of your head with a long serated knife.

    And this persons responses and attitudes hasn't been that much off base with some of the random comments I've seen on my facebook feeds or some of the various articles headlines and excerpts I've seen linked about this.

    The disconnect between this and the sterling case, when one is simply going on about "privacy", is the width of the grand canyon which is why I roll my eyes at the screams of some about "privacy" when it's crystal clear and transparent that they give two ****s about privacy from a principled level, but rather they believe privacy should exist on things they morally don't have an issue with and could care less about it on things they morally do.
    It sounds like the person you where talking to is prone to overblown hyperbole.

    The Sterling thing from a privacy issue is just as bad, but in this case, the other aspect in the Sterling case was alot more...interesting I guess you could say. You can only talk about tits so long, and there are plenty of better looking ones out there. I think of it much like I think of the Snowden thing: there are two separate issues going on, the release, and the contents of the release. They should be judged as two different events if that makes sense.
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    Re: Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Who is responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Based on a few pictures I saw of Jennifer Lawrence, I think she was just having fun with a boyfriend or whatever. But instead of like the old days when nude pictures may have been taken with a Polaroid camera and the picture put in some dresser drawer, they were stored digitally some place that was thought to be safe but obviously was not. I think it is a big wake-up call for everyone about their personal data and the internet.

    I think it is a crime though, because if someone guesses the door code to my car and takes what is in it, it is still wrong of them to do that and take my stuff.
    This is no wakeup call, just a reminder of what EVERYONE already knows, especially celebrities. They are reminded of it every time they take a walk, go shopping, do anything. Their management knows this. My goodness, it's like having to explain to adults that fire is hot.

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    Re: Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Who is responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Not really. The pics served to show boobies, fundamentally that's laudable. The audio was merely support for an accusation. Is there an accusation involved in the first case that demands evidence?
    Which is exactly my point.

    If you were making a huge deal out of the privacy notion of this then you'd be a poster child for what I'm saying.

    Don't CLAIM your big issue about this is Privacy when in reality its "Privacy for things I find laudable" and "No Privacy for things I don't find laudable".

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    Re: Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Who is responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post

    Yes, but that in no way shape or form lessens the burden of guilt from the hacker.
    Frankly, I'm more interested in not getting hacked than I am in punishing someone after the fact. My whole goal is to not set myself up for a problem in the first part so, to that end, I choose to take personal responsibility for my decisions FIRST and then worry about who to blame farther down the road. In my experience whatever recompense you get from someone who has wronged you rarely makes up for the affront anyway.

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    Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Who is responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Isn't A 'Scandal.' It's A Sex Crime.


    Scandal or Crime?
    Owner of the photographs responsible or leaker responsible?

    Personally I can't believe the number of people that claim it's the owner of the photographs fault for taking them in the 1st place. They have a right to privacy.
    The Hacker...

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    Re: Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Who is responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    This is all rather amusing. We ignore hacking going on daily that affects peoples finances and lives. Some people even CELEBRATE certain groups of hackers...especially if they can 'stick it to da man!'. But we are supposed to be outraged because a hacker found their way into nude photos and videos of 'starlets'?

    Does anyone NOT know by now that EVERYTHING you put on your phone or computer (if said device is connected in any way to the network) is visible and in fact fair game?
    It's true. Hacktivists, even though they frequently do things for financial gain in the guise of public activism, are oft celebrated by the Left and Libertarians. That being said, I think people are slowly coming around to accepting that their personal data, although potentially vulnerable for exploitation, is something that ought to be protected against by authorities (in addition to being protected from authorities).
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    Re: Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Who is responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Would you be okay if a celebrity got his or her credit card number hacked?



    Yes, but that in no way shape or form lessens the burden of guilt from the hacker.



    Great. Now how do we discourage hacking and shift the blame onto them, where it belongs?
    You're arguing with the wrong person. I said from the very beginning that what the hackers did was a crime. But again, if you leave your car unlocked with the keys in it in a area known by all to be rife with car thieves, your insurance is likely to refuse your claim when it is stolen. Why? Because you are partially responsible and a total dumb****.

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    Re: Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Who is responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post

    Great. Now how do we discourage hacking and shift the blame onto them, where it belongs?
    You cannot discourage hacking any more than has already been done. It's not about blame - it's about involuntary ignorance. Most people do not know how much information is available on them and how vulnerable it is. We have out of kilter expectations that Home Depot, or Apple, or any other company is protecting their financial or personal information and most do an adequate job. But as has already been said - if a hacker wants to get information they will. It's up to us, the users, to inform ourselves, to regulate our expectations, and to not to trust any information we would not want shown to everyone we know, on anything which has an internet connection.
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    Re: Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Who is responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    We have privacy rights in this country, even a person poor personal choices,
    should be kept private, unless permission is granted for it's release.
    I'm afraid that ship has sailed. Digital content is no longer sacred.
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    Re: Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Who is responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's true. Hacktivists, even though they frequently do things for financial gain in the guise of public activism, are oft celebrated by the Left and Libertarians. That being said, I think people are slowly coming around to accepting that their personal data, although potentially vulnerable for exploitation, is something that ought to be protected against by authorities (in addition to being protected from authorities).
    Its that LAST part thats the real kicker.

    Personally...I'm all for the death penalty for hackers (and I dont even automatically go for the death sentence for murderers).

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