If the U.S. got involved in a war with Russia...

EnigmaO01 · Sep 3, 2014

would those that keep complaining that Obama isn't doing enough (without any solutions of course) back him and the country and stop the petty snarking of of our CIC? I keep hearing how inept the president is and how they admire Putin, and just wonder if that would change?

Paleocon · Sep 3, 2014

EnigmaO01 said:
would those that keep complaining that Obama isn't doing enough (without any solutions of course) back him and the country and stop the petty snarking of of our CIC? I keep hearing how inept the president is and how they admire Putin, and just wonder if that would change?

The nuclear annihilation of our country would make that irrelevant.

EnigmaO01 · Sep 3, 2014

Paleocon said:
The nuclear annihilation of our country would make that irrelevant.

That's a possibility but I don't think it would go that far. Maybe I'm naive but I believe it would be a contained regionally in the Ukraine, and believe, although Putin is egomaniac, he's not suicidal.

I believe if we started an offensive in Russia proper it would be a different story of course.

Thanks for you response but it would be nice if you voted.

tres borrachos · Sep 3, 2014

EnigmaO01 said:
would those that keep complaining that Obama isn't doing enough (without any solutions of course) back him and the country and stop the petty snarking of of our CIC? I keep hearing how inept the president is and how they admire Putin, and just wonder if that would change?

A poll taken back in March showed 78% of respondents said Putin was a strong leader and only 48% said that about Obama.

Poll: Putin Seen as Stronger Leader Than Obama | RealClearPolitics

That said, I don't think that has any bearing on what should be done about Russia or Syria or any place else right now. If Obama makes a decision to go to war, and it's a good one, he should get support.

Or are you asking if people will stop saying Putin is a better leader than Obama just because Obama takes action against Russia? I don't know why that would have any bearing.

The German · Sep 3, 2014

Paleocon said:
The nuclear annihilation of our country would make that irrelevant.

Well Pakistan and India managed to go to war with each other whilest both sides had nuclear capacity, without anihalating each other.

But the fact that we are debating this is scary enought.

EnigmaO01 · Sep 3, 2014

tres borrachos said:
A poll taken back in March showed 78% of respondents said Putin was a strong leader and only 48% said that about Obama.

Poll: Putin Seen as Stronger Leader Than Obama | RealClearPolitics

That said, I don't think that has any bearing on what should be done about Russia or Syria or any place else right now. If Obama makes a decision to go to war, and it's a good one, he should get support.

Or are you asking if people will stop saying Putin is a better leader than Obama just because Obama takes action against Russia? I don't know why that would have any bearing.

No not at all. Just asking a simple question.

Our country has come to the point where half the country doesn't support the president because he's on the other side of the aisle. It's happening with Obama and it happened with Bush, Carter, Reagan etc.

Just wondering if it got to the point where we had to get it together and be on the same side if we would?

tres borrachos · Sep 3, 2014

EnigmaO01 said:
No not at all. Just asking a simple question.

Our country has come to the point where half the country doesn't support the president because he's on the other side of the aisle. It's happening with Obama and it happened with Bush, Carter, Reagan etc.

Just wondering if it got to the point where we had to get it together and be on the same side if we would?

I guess I didn't understand where you were going. It seems from this post that people saying Putin is a better leader than Obama isn't relevant.

To answer this question, probably not all Americans would get behind him because we seem to be split into 3s. Far right (who will always detest Obama), far left (who will always support him), and the middle who will swing around. I *think* most people would support a military action against Russia if it was the right thing to do, and I don't know if it's the right thing to do.

I didn't vote for Obama either time, but if he made a good decision that was collectively made by military experts and Congress, and not Valerie Jarrett, then yes, I would absolutely support him.

Montecresto · Sep 3, 2014

EnigmaO01 said:
would those that keep complaining that Obama isn't doing enough (without any solutions of course) back him and the country and stop the petty snarking of of our CIC? I keep hearing how inept the president is and how they admire Putin, and just wonder if that would change?

Suppose we just focused on preventing a war with Russia, that would cost far more blood and treasure then what we've seen in the ME. It's not worth it preventing what we in part caused.

joG · Sep 3, 2014

EnigmaO01 said:
would those that keep complaining that Obama isn't doing enough (without any solutions of course) back him and the country and stop the petty snarking of of our CIC? I keep hearing how inept the president is and how they admire Putin, and just wonder if that would change?

Obama? He should be happy that Putin was playing the Europeans. You will admit that Putin played his game well. He showed up the EU for the hypocrites and irrealists they are and how well you can trust the EU to guaranty peace and security even in Europe and how that organization supports its friends after getting them into this mess. And here lies the upside for Obama deserved or not. Even the populations in the EU have noticed how unspeakable their politicians have acted and that the EU is not the guarantor of security the EU lobby has sold the "Always closer EU" project on.

Montecresto · Sep 3, 2014

EnigmaO01 said:
That's a possibility but I don't think it would go that far. Maybe I'm naive but I believe it would be a contained regionally in the Ukraine, and believe, although Putin is egomaniac, he's not suicidal.

I believe if we started an offensive in Russia proper it would be a different story of course.

Thanks for you response but it would be nice if you voted.

You don't "THINK" it would go that far. The only reason to ever risk it would be if Russia was attempting to annex Florida by referendum, not Crimea or east Ukraine.

joG · Sep 3, 2014

The German said:
Well Pakistan and India managed to go to war with each other whilest both sides had nuclear capacity, without anihalating each other.

But the fact that we are debating this is scary enought.

Luckily MAD is still almost stable. That is changing, however, as you know. Give it another 20 years plus, no robust solution to the multi-polarity problem paired with proliferation and MAD will be more or less defunct. That is when the .... hits the fan.

EnigmaO01 · Sep 3, 2014

Montecresto said:
Suppose we just focused on preventing a war with Russia, that would cost far more blood and treasure then what we've seen in the ME. It's not worth it preventing what we in part caused.

Butt out of the poll if you don't want to participate.

EnigmaO01 · Sep 3, 2014

tres borrachos said:
I guess I didn't understand where you were going. It seems from this post that people saying Putin is a better leader than Obama isn't relevant.

I agree. I didn't post that.

tres borrachos said:
To answer this question, probably not all Americans would get behind him because we seem to be split into 3s. Far right (who will always detest Obama), far left (who will always support him), and the middle who will swing around. I *think* most people would support a military action against Russia if it was the right thing to do, and I don't know if it's the right thing to do.

I didn't vote for Obama either time, but if he made a good decision that was collectively made by military experts and Congress, and not Valerie Jarrett, then yes, I would absolutely support him.

EnigmaO01 · Sep 3, 2014

joG said:
Obama? He should be happy that Putin was playing the Europeans. You will admit that Putin played his game well. He showed up the EU for the hypocrites and irrealists they are and how well you can trust the EU to guaranty peace and security even in Europe and how that organization supports its friends after getting them into this mess. And here lies the upside for Obama deserved or not. Even the populations in the EU have noticed how unspeakable their politicians have acted and that the EU is not the guarantor of security the EU lobby has sold the "Always closer EU" project on.

What exactly are you referring to when you say the Europeans were "hypocrites" and "irrealists" [sic]. Are you another one of those that claim the Europeans were behind the overthrow of Russia's puppet that refused the wishes of the people to become part of the EU?

Since when does Europe have the duty to come to the aid of a non-NATO noneuropean country? Are you faulting them for not wanting to get in a war with Russia?

EnigmaO01 · Sep 3, 2014

Montecresto said:
You don't "THINK" it would go that far. The only reason to ever risk it would be if Russia was attempting to annex Florida by referendum, not Crimea or east Ukraine.

No one ever said we should risk it, especially myself. Get a hold if yourself and realize this is a hypothetical poll question.

grip · Sep 3, 2014

With systems like "Iron Dome" and secret supersonic missiles, we may develop or even already have a defense against ICBM's. The only caveat to that would be the submarines capable of short range launch from coastal areas, and whatever slips thru a missile shield. The point being, that we don't know how heads of state would react knowing they posses such defensive measures, and whether we'd actually engage the Russian military directly.

If we ever accidentally slipped into a US/NATO conflict with Russia, it would either 'end' or 'escalate' quickly. I sincerely doubt it would be a long, drawn out affair.

Porchev · Sep 3, 2014

EnigmaO01 said:
would those that keep complaining that Obama isn't doing enough (without any solutions of course) back him and the country and stop the petty snarking of of our CIC? I keep hearing how inept the president is and how they admire Putin, and just wonder if that would change?

Probably similar to when Bush engaged the country in war with our enemies. Everyone would stop being snarky of our President and you would stop hearing bad things about him...oh, wait...that is not exactly how that played out now is it?

joG · Sep 3, 2014

EnigmaO01 said:
What exactly are you referring to when you say the Europeans were "hypocrites" and "irrealists" [sic]. Are you another one of those that claim the Europeans were behind the overthrow of Russia's puppet that refused the wishes of the people to become part of the EU?

Since when does Europe have the duty to come to the aid of a non-NATO noneuropean country? Are you faulting them for not wanting to get in a war with Russia?

Don't be silly. I am referring to title2, Article 7 of the treaty without appropriate measures to secure the nation's integrity and populations safty

EnigmaO01 · Sep 3, 2014

joG said:
Don't be silly. I am referring to title2, Article 7 of the treaty without appropriate measures to secure the nation's integrity and populations safty

What treaty?

tech30528 · Sep 3, 2014

To answer the question we would be falling all over ourselves trying to be polite and politically correct for the cameras while Russia rolled us under with decades old equipment our armchair administration considers out of style and therefore ineffective. The best of our soldiers would be sidelined by rules of engagement and Obama would still be attending fund raisers.

EnigmaO01 · Sep 3, 2014

tech30528 said:
To answer the question we would be falling all over ourselves trying to be polite and politically correct for the cameras while Russia rolled us under with decades old equipment our armchair administration considers out of style and therefore ineffective. The best of our soldiers would be sidelined by rules of engagement and Obama would still be attending fund raisers.

Sure we would. I don't know what you're smoking but I want some.

joG · Sep 4, 2014

EnigmaO01 said:
What treaty?

The trade treaty that started this mess.

jamesrage · Sep 4, 2014

EnigmaO01 said:
would those that keep complaining that Obama isn't doing enough (without any solutions of course) back him and the country and stop the petty snarking of of our CIC?

I do not want the US involved in a war with Russia or in the middle east.In is none of our damn business what goes on in that part of the world. So no president would get my support.

I keep hearing how inept the president is and

THis is why I find it funny when **** sucking neocon scum keep saying Obama should send troops, Obama got to do something. Obama just got punked by Puttin he should do something or some other bull **** excuse to drag us into another war or interfere with another country.If Obama is really incompetent as these scum say Obama is then why on God's green earth do these people want Obama involving us in another war? It's idiotic.

how they admire Putin, and just wonder if that would change?

During when Bush was president such people would have been labeled traitors for saying some crap like that.

EnigmaO01 · Sep 4, 2014

joG said:
The trade treaty that started this mess.

That's it? Can you be more specific because I have a feeling you don't have squat. I'm familiar with negiations that went on before this mess started but I think you're reaching just like those that are sure the west was involved in the turmoil but just can't seem to find any proof.

EnigmaO01 · Sep 4, 2014

jamesrage said:
I do not want the US involved in a war with Russia or in the middle east.In is none of our damn business what goes on in that part of the world. So no president would get my support.

THis is why I find it funny when **** sucking neocon scum keep saying Obama should send troops, Obama got to do something. Obama just got punked by Puttin he should do something or some other bull **** excuse to drag us into another war or interfere with another country.If Obama is really incompetent as these scum say Obama is then why on God's green earth do these people want Obama involving us in another war? It's idiotic.

During when Bush was president such people would have been labeled traitors for saying some crap like that.

So you support Obama's restraint?

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