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In hindsight, was the Nixon pardon good or bad for the country?

In hindsight, was the Nixon pardon good or bad for the country?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 62.1%
  • No

    Votes: 8 27.6%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 3 10.3%

  • Total voters
    29
Pugery; lying same thing. It was a bj pure and simple. A most silly and stupid aste of everybody's time and money.

And uh, I don't live in Europe: we've been here (US) since 1765.

Yeah right. Besides, Congress went after him for abusing his office (the various gates), crooked sweetheart deals (Hillary's deals with Rose Law Firm) AND later perjury.
 
Please, Woodward? He made the mint out of dramatizing Nixon. Could you have chosen more of a drama queen.

Really anyone who was an adult and politically aware at the time knew Ford would pardon Nixon.

Of course; I suspected he would as well and that was the outrage: Nixon just walked away. He should have gone to jail!

As for Woodward? The man assisted in breaking one of the biggest stories of the 20th century, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say about him.
 
Kenneth Star stuck a sitting president for a bj. Just an asinine waste. The republicans still look stupid over that.

They got Al Capone for tax evasion. And no, the people who repeat the lame reframe still look stupid every time they repeat it.
 
Yeah right. Besides, Congress went after him for abusing his office (the various gates), crooked sweetheart deals (Hillary's deals with Rose Law Firm) AND later perjury.

They impeached a sitting president over a bj and made this country the laughing stock of the western world.
 
You do realize Clinton was acquitted, right? And the only reason Nixon stepped down was he had no chance of acquittal?

not to mention there's a difference between what nixon did and what clinton did.

I guess if a president gets a blowjob he should be impeached? stupid. stupid as hell.
 
They impeached a sitting president over a bj and made this country the laughing stock of the western world.

See post #53. The idiot reframe of what happened is what made the rest of the world laugh.
 
They impeached a sitting president over a bj and made this country the laughing stock of the western world.
Gee, high standards and how they hold us back. :roll:

*IF* we were a "laughing stock"... which I dispute, but we'll run with it for conversation sake... then it was Clinton's fault for being dumb enough to get caught and dumb enough to lie about it. If something is clearly against the law, which perjury is, and Clinton knew the law, you can't reasonably fault others for wanting to enforce said law. If you do, your thinking is misplaced.
 
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They got Al Capone for tax evasion. And no, the people who repeat the lame reframe still look stupid every time they repeat it.

whats stupid is that you think a president should be impeached just because he gets more head than you...
 
See post #53. The idiot reframe of what happened is what made the rest of the world laugh.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.
 
not to mention there's a difference between what nixon did and what clinton did.

I guess if a president gets a blowjob he should be impeached? stupid. stupid as hell.

Yeah, Nixon wiretapped and Clinton used the power of his office against his political enemies, did crooked deals through his wife's old buddies AND lied under oath. If you really don't see that as a valid reason for impeachment, there no helping you.
 
Gee, high standards and how they hold us back. :roll:

*IF* we were a "laughing stock... which I dispute, but we'll run with it for conversation sake... then it was Clinton's fault for being dumb enough to get caught and dumb enough to lie about it. If something is clearly against the law, which perjury is, and Clinton knew the law, you can't reasonably fault others for wanting to enforce said law. If you do, your thinking is misplaced.

Of course it was Clinton's fault! I've always thought he acted like a blitheiring idiot over that, however it is even more stupid and idiotic to impeach a sitting president for a domestic issue. The silly republicans put their foot in their mouth all the way up to their knee over that one.
 
whats stupid is that you think a president should be impeached just because he gets more head than you...

From that rotund little cow? No thanks. Poor taste and bad judgment should have ben included in the charges. What is stupid is that you think that's why he was impeached.
 
not to mention there's a difference between what nixon did and what clinton did.

I guess if a president gets a blowjob he should be impeached? stupid. stupid as hell.

This is a classic case of overstating an argument. He was not impeached for getting a blowjob, he was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. By overstating the argument, you make it easy to counter. Sticking with the facts works best. He was impeached on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice and was not even close to convicted of either. That is more than enough argument, and has the benefit of being accurate.
 
This is a classic case of overstating an argument. He was not impeached for getting a blowjob, he was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. By overstating the argument, you make it easy to counter. Sticking with the facts works best. He was impeached on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice and was not even close to convicted of either. That is more than enough argument, and has the benefit of being accurate.

No, it's not accurate. He was indeed subsequently convicted of perjury and stripped of his law license.
 
Of course it was Clinton's fault! I've always thought he acted like a blitheiring idiot over that, however it is even more stupid and idiotic to impeach a sitting president for a domestic issue. The silly republicans put their foot in thier mouth all the way up to their knee over that one.
I'll grant that the Rep's pursuing the whole sex-oriented thing was indeed petty, I don't have an issue with that in and of itself, but once Clinton lied he opened up a bunch of other doors that would have remained shut otherwise. It really is his own fault.

The sex-oriented thing and the impeachment are two wholly separate issues.


Does that mean you approve impeaching president's because of their ability to get more women than you?
I'll take your juvenile avoidance of the question, combined with the juvenile nature of the question itself, as 'yes' you do approve of lying under oath. Duly noted.
 
Talk about revisionist history. What do you think he was being asked about when he lied under oath? They were already going after him for something completely unrelated to his duties in office, and something that happens all across the United States all the time. He lied during that investigation while under oath, and they impeached him.

Obviously he shouldn't have lied under oath, but that was your classical Republican witch hunt. Throw the crap against the wall and see what sticks. It just so happens it worked.
But see, some republicans are hypocrites, in other words, do as we say, not as we do. Gingrich carried on an extramarital affair while he led the charge to toast Clinton.
Gingrich Admits to Affair During Clinton Impeachment - ABC News
 
But see, some republicans are hypocrites, in other words, do as we say, not as we do. Gingrich carried on an extramarital affair while he led the charge to toast Clinton.
Gingrich Admits to Affair During Clinton Impeachment - ABC News

So? Did he lie under oath about it? Was he under impeachment at the time? Do you even know what the original charges against Clinton were?

Again, they got Al Capone for tax evasion, not his other criminal activities, not murder, not robbery, tax evasion. Doesn't mean he wasn't guilty of all that, that's just what they finally got him on.
 
Wrong. A deal was reached the day before Clinton left office in which he admitted to being "misleading and evasive" and gave up his license for 5 years. He is now eligible to get it back, though I do not know if he has. Clinton Eligible, Once Again, To Practice Law - The New York Sun

Yeah except I posted what I did in response to your claim that he wasn't even close to being convicted of perjury. He was indeed very close, that's why the deal and the settling out of court.
 
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