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    Re: In hindsight, was the Nixon pardon good or bad for the country?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The House impeaches, the Senate decides the fate of the impeached, the sentence.



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    Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice, on December 19, 1998. Two other impeachment articles, a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power, failed in the House. He was acquitted of both charges by the Senate on February 12, 1999.[1]
    What was the penalty when Clinton was impeached?

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    Re: In hindsight, was the Nixon pardon good or bad for the country?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    The Nixon pardon set the precedent that as long as you're in a position of power then you are not held to the same standards as everyone else. Anybody else would have been thrown behind bars for what he did.
    Grownups knew that long before Nixon came along. What surprised everyone not in their baby bonnet was that he allowed himself to get caught and owned up to it. Presidents have cabinet members and staff to throw under the bus before that happens. Historically that's how it's done.

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    Re: In hindsight, was the Nixon pardon good or bad for the country?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    And Ford lost the next election and the Republican party has been in the toilet since. I don't remember a feeling of relief at all. I remember a great deal of outrage over it. The country has suffered a great deal over our inability to deal seriously with crooks in the executive office. Yet Congress went after Clinton on a BJ...!


    Congress DID NOT go after Clinton over a blow job, they went after him because he lied under oath. Thank you for demonstrating the propaganda myth which Clinton created to get himself off.

    Nixon was never charged with an offense and, one of the reasons a pardon was issue was that there was a lot of uncertainty about criminal charges and they wanted to avoid the exact same thing that happened when Clinton broke the law and his oath of office, a strictly partisan fight in congress.

    Was the pardon 'good' for the country?

    No.

    In the end it divided the nation more than Clinton's dirty little fight and advanced the "elite" image of politicians who make war but whose sons never fight. Anyone who had ever faced even a misdemeanor charge and had to so much as pay a fine, felt cheated. Thew nation still does not know Nixon's full involvement, so that have no history to learn from. And from that, presidents have been overstepping their powers more and more.

    Nixon should have been seen to be punished. There were men serving long sentences for less than what he did. And in the end, it assured the nation of a "change" president in Jimmy Carter, only worse than Ford by the fact he had much more time to **** things up.
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    Re: In hindsight, was the Nixon pardon good or bad for the country?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    What was the penalty when Clinton was impeached?
    His law license was suspended and fines I believe. Later he got dinged again by the Paula Jones court. But why ask me, I posted the impeachment link.

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    Re: In hindsight, was the Nixon pardon good or bad for the country?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    His law license was suspended and fines I believe. Later he got dinged again by the Paula Jones court. But why ask me, I posted the impeachment link.
    But Clinton wasn't force to leave office, so what. I posted a link too, Clinton acquitted.

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    Re: In hindsight, was the Nixon pardon good or bad for the country?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That doesn't comport with anyone's view. Not anyone who was there. Did you never catch the Nixon interviews or the interviews with his cabinet afterwards?
    I was a journalist whop covered it daily.


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    Re: In hindsight, was the Nixon pardon good or bad for the country?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Ford didn't lose because of that and yes, there was a huge sigh of relief. No one wanted anything other than a pardon, except for a few hippies who didn't understand Nixon withdrew troops from Vietnam, it was Johnson who put them there. Of course the hippies hated Johnson too. Partisanship wasn't so much broken down by party lines then, but ideological ones.

    And finally, NO. Just quit with the stupid slogans. Clinton was not impeached for a bj. I suggest you read a little history BEFORE Hillary starts her run for the office.
    I haven't the slightest idea where you're getting your information: I was there, there was no relief.
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    Re: In hindsight, was the Nixon pardon good or bad for the country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I was a journalist whop covered it daily.


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    And I wrote for the college paper at the time, so? Obviously you missed those interviews.

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    Re: In hindsight, was the Nixon pardon good or bad for the country?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I haven't the slightest idea where you're getting your information: I was there, there was no relief.
    So was I, AND I was a democrat then, as liberal as they come.

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    Re: In hindsight, was the Nixon pardon good or bad for the country?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So was I, AND I was a democrat then, as liberal as they come.
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    The reverberations from that decision may well have cost Ford his presidency in the next election. In the first week after the pardon, his public approval rating plummeted from 71 percent to 49 percent. Jerry terHorst, Ford's press secretary and friend of 25 years, resigned as a matter of conscience.

    Ford had been in office only a month. The pardon came as a surprise -- to Congress and the public – and it unleashed a wave of outrage and suspicion. Had there been a deal between Nixon and Ford promising a pardon in exchange for Nixon's resignation?
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