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    Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    What say you?
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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    It's okay to be white

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    If native Indians are offended by the name, "redskins" then perhaps the football team should change it.





    "...In point of fact, a wide variety of Native American groups and tribes have come out against the name, including the National Congress of American Indians, the United South and Eastern Tribes, the Affiliated Tribes of Northwest Indians, the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, the Comanche Nation of Oklahoma, the Fort Peck Tribal Executive Board, the Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians, the Great Lakes Inter-Tribal Council, the Gun Lake Band of Potawatomi Indians, the Inter-Tribal Council of the Five Civilized Tribes, the Inter Tribal Council of Arizona, the Juaneno Band of Mission Indians, the Little River Band of Ottawa Indians, the Menominee Tribe of Indians, the Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin, the Oneida Indian Nation, the Poarch Band of Creek Indians, the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma, the Sault St. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians, the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, the Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation, the Three Affiliated Tribes of the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation, the United Indian Nations of Oklahoma, and so on, according to leaders of the protest movement."

    Gary Clark says if Native Americans cared about the Redskins name they would march on Washington - The Washington Post

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If native Indians are offended by the name, "redskins" then perhaps the football team should change it.
    Generally speaking I couldn't give a ****.

    But if Native Americans want the name change, I think it should.

    We wouldn't have kept the Washington Niggers would we?

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Generally speaking I couldn't give a ****.

    But if Native Americans want the name change, I think it should.

    We wouldn't have kept the Washington Niggers would we?
    lol Good point.

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    That's the funny thing about this and one of the strategies being employed by those that seek to continually keep this in the sports media and thus talked about.

    You've got Redskins fans, for example, who are so SICK AND TIRED of hearing about this damn story and all the griping and whinging by a very vocal small minority of native americans and by a bunch of menstrating guilty white liberals that they're basically going "yeah, change the name". Not because they think they're right but simply because they're tired of hearing about it.

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Generally speaking I couldn't give a ****.

    But if Native Americans want the name change, I think it should.

    We wouldn't have kept the Washington Niggers would we?
    Welp, that didn't take long.

    First, the only way one can compare "niggers" to "redskins" is if one suggests that all slurs are exactly equivilent. Opening up a whole host of other potential issues with it.

    Second, if you're acknowledging that slurs can have degrees then it begins to fall apart. Nigger was not a term originally created and used by blacks as a means of refering to themselves. Nigger has never been used as the mascot/nickname for predominantly black schools, let alone voted to be such in the modern times. They say "we wouldn't have kept a Washington Niggers would we"? My retort, would people have actively continued to support a LEAGUE where one of it's members was that. There were talks of boycotts of the NBA becasue an owner said racist things that were recorded in privacy...we're supposed to believe there wouldn't be mass protests and boycotts and indignation towards the NFL if a team had that name? But there's not as it relates to Redskins. Why? Because socially it's not viewed as anywhere near the same level or degree.

    Nor should it.

    Redskins history is one where it was not created as a slur. Redskin's use throughout history has in numerous cases not been used as a means to slur. In the modern day, the term "Redskin" is far more associated with a Sports Team then it is associated with a derogatory term for native americans. None of this is comparable to the realities resolving around the word nigger, so attempting to compare what would happen with a team named as such is ludicrous.

    Nothing against you Jet, as I know you're just jumping in giving your opinion. But this is one of those standard, routine, continual talking points regarding this issue that is just infuriating in how blase it's tossed out there without any deeper thought than it sounding like a reasonable arugment on the surface because people have heard others say it.

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    America is a wonderful, wacky place.

    In one corner, you have strong support for a guy who refuses to stand during the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance although it offends every other member in the audience and a vast majority of Americans and he's trumpeted as a free speech hero, defender of the first amendment, and an all around saint for taking a stand by sitting on his ass.

    In another corner, you have Daniel Snider, a guy who defends to the death his right to retain a century old name for a team he alone owns and a team whose fans love the tradition and history of the name, and many of the same people who support the free speech rights of the previously mentioned Chief Sit on My Ass are in high dudgeon over another stance that offends far fewer.
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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post

    We wouldn't have kept the Washington Niggers would we?
    Actually there are plenty on this forum that would vote to keep that name.
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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Welp, that didn't take long.

    First, the only way one can compare "niggers" to "redskins" is if one suggests that all slurs are exactly equivilent. Opening up a whole host of other potential issues with it.

    Second, if you're acknowledging that slurs can have degrees then it begins to fall apart. Nigger was not a term originally created and used by blacks as a means of refering to themselves. Nigger has never been used as the mascot/nickname for predominantly black schools, let alone voted to be such in the modern times. They say "we wouldn't have kept a Washington Niggers would we"? My retort, would people have actively continued to support a LEAGUE where one of it's members was that. There were talks of boycotts of the NBA becasue an owner said racist things that were recorded in privacy...we're supposed to believe there wouldn't be mass protests and boycotts and indignation towards the NFL if a team had that name? But there's not as it relates to Redskins. Why? Because socially it's not viewed as anywhere near the same level or degree.

    Nor should it.

    Redskins history is one where it was not created as a slur. Redskin's use throughout history has in numerous cases not been used as a means to slur. In the modern day, the term "Redskin" is far more associated with a Sports Team then it is associated with a derogatory term for native americans. None of this is comparable to the realities resolving around the word nigger, so attempting to compare what would happen with a team named as such is ludicrous.

    Nothing against you Jet, as I know you're just jumping in giving your opinion. But this is one of those standard, routine, continual talking points regarding this issue that is just infuriating in how blase it's tossed out there without any deeper thought than it sounding like a reasonable arugment on the surface because people have heard others say it.
    Again for me personally, it really doesn't matter if it's changed or not.

    But like anything, it means different things to different people.

    If an overwhelming amount of Native Americans said you know what? We don't like the name and we want it changed, then I would support that.

    Otherwise leave it alone, but to that end I'm South African, someone could call me a dutchman, I wouldn't be offended but some South Africans would so, I think it is an individual experience for many.

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