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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Actually there are plenty on this forum that would vote to keep that name.
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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Would you introduce an Irish friend as a Whiteskin? No. Would you use Whiteskin in normal conversation with an Irish person? No. So you're saying you would actually use "Redskin" around a Native American person before this came up? Not buying that at all.
    You are right I probably wouldn't, at least not as an introduction but that is my point. Its used as a pejorative that you wouldn't use in public. Why is it okay to use as a team name?
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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
    You are right I probably wouldn't, at least not as an introduction but that is my point. Its used as a pejorative that you wouldn't use in public. Why is it okay to use as a team name?
    It being previously used as a pejorative is not substantive but supporting. The main issue is racial stereotyping.

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    This argument is annoying to me. People are always talking about we took their land. Every populated part of earth has been taken and retaken and then took again at various points in history. Land is "owned" by the last person to claim it.
    d0gbreath beat me to it. So I guess its okay for the current Indians to claim Colorado Springs.
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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    It doesn't matter what they call the team. As a Dallas Cowboys fan, I'm going to despise them anyway.
    Respect there...the despising of us, not being a Cowboys fan. That just deserves mocking and ruckus laughter.

    What about the Braves, Chiefs, and Indians? Would Washington become a precedent for all those teams to change their names, or, are those names actually honoring American Indians while Redskins doesn't bestow honor unto American natives?
    One of the primary opponents of the name that has been pushing this since the 80's has directly claimed that the hope is if the Redskins fall then going after those other groups will then be easier.

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    And a wonderful example of what I meant when I said so much of the media has in no way attempted to be fair or unbiased in the reporting of this and are clearly driving an agenda aimed at either 1) converting or 2) fatiguing anyone whose not directly on their side...

    One of the big "media firestorms" surrounding the name issue happened back in the middle of the season last year on a Sunday Night Game with the Redskins, where Bob Costas went on a diatribe about the name during half time. This fact, and the resulting media coverage of it, was part of what many proponents of the name change pointed to towards the end of last year as "proof" that "the issue isn't going away" and it's starting to resonate with people and get attention.

    However, interesting bit of information that seemingly no national media outlet felt big about carrying:

    When noted NBC sportscaster Bob Costas took to the air at halftime of the Washington-Dallas NFL football last month to ask Redskins owner Dan Snyder and Redskin fans to come clean about the insulting, “racist” nature of the team’s name, he wasn’t exactly coming clean about his own network’s financial interest in the controversy.

    Even as Mr. Costas was giving his on-air editorial, NBC Sports Network was quietly putting the final touches on a deal with the Oneida Indian Nation to stage the network’s “Fight Night” boxing event at the Turning Stone Casino and Resort, a central New York resort owned and operated by the Indian tribe.

    The deal and Mr. Costas‘ commentary have raised ethical and transparency questions because Oneida national representative Ray Halbritter has emerged as the spokesman and most visible face of the “Change the Mascot” campaign to force the Redskins to drop what Mr. Halbritter calls the Washington team’s “racially derogatory” name.
    (SOURCE)

    Note, ever since the announcement of the Redskins "Original Redskins Foundation" earlier this year the national media has had multiple stories suggesting, if not directly focused on, claims that Snyder was trying to "bribe" native americans and that any statements from tribes aided by the foundation is a "conflict of interest"...and yet such a comment is barren regarding NBC, whose ProFootballTalk is one of the leading football media sites that has been keeping the issue in the news for the past year.

    Indeed, on outside the lines last night Costas even ADMITTED that NBC specifically came to him prior to the game "suggesting" he talk about this very issue on the game broadcast. A day after they finalized a deal with the group that was the current loudest voice against the name.

    But that kind of thing isn't of concern to the media because it's not reporting news, it's pushing the agenda.

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You don't understand. This has nothing to do with someone being offended. I think it's stupid to believe this issue is about anyone being offended. The issue is stereotyping marginalizes people.

    I'm against marginalizing people via racial stereotypes. I don't care who's offended or not.

    Apparently, you support marginalizing people via stereotypes. I think that's your problem and not mine. Perhaps you need to look at the issue for what it's really about and stop with the "who's offended" crap, which I believe we all agree should not be the basis of law or rules.
    This is about marginalization? What's that supposed to mean? The way I see this issue, it comes down to two types of twits. The thin skinned easily offended types who are offended about life in general. And those who are attempting to exercise power to make somebody they don't particularly care for tow THEIR line.

    For the former I have this little ditti


    The latter, they just need what they are getting plenty of right now, good old fashioned American defiance. That and a bulbous hairy middle finger.
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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    This is about marginalization? What's that supposed to mean?
    Racial stereotyping marginalizes those left out, no matter if it is a "positive" or "negative" stereotype. Negative or positive, in regard to racial stereotyping, is not meaning good or bad for society, it's meaning the characteristic portrayed (that in itself being subjective).

    A positive stereotype does not mean 'stereotype that is good for society'. There are no stereotypes that are good for society. Why? Because all stereotypes marginalize the contributions of those excluded.

    Regardless of a stereotype being positive or negative (which is subjective), stereotypes are inherently bad for society (objectively so).
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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Racial stereotyping marginalizes those left out, no matter if it is a "positive" or "negative" stereotype. Negative or positive, in regard to racial stereotyping, is not meaning good or bad for society, it's meaning the characteristic portrayed (that in itself being subjective).

    A positive stereotype does not mean 'stereotype that is good for society'. There are no stereotypes that are good for society. Why? Because all stereotypes marginalize the contributions of those excluded.

    Regardless of a stereotype being positive or negative (which is subjective), stereotypes are inherently bad for society (objectively so).
    Do you even know what a stereotyping is? Its calling people names at its basest. Generalizing groups of people. Bottom line. You and I get stereotyped everyday of our lives and as long at there are human beings there will continue to be stereotyping. I could careless if I get stereotyped because end the end I know it doesn't mean a damn thing to my success, and me living my life as I see fit. People are too busy worrying about what other people they don't know think to realize in the end the only opinions that matter are those YOU value. For me that is my family and my close friends. What others think, why should I, bloody well care?
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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Do you even know what a stereotyping is? Its calling people names
    Social ignorance. Lack of ability to assimilate social context.

    Do you know what marginalizing is?

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