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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Enlighten us oh wise one.
    It's very simple. Say it slowly with me:

    Racial stereotypes are bad for society.

    6 words.

    6 words that are true and it doesn't matter one ****ing bit who is or who is not offended by whatever.

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    There you go...Native Americans who don't agree with primarily a bunch of white people telling them what should be "offensive" to them is tantamount to supporting slavery. Nevermind that the argument that "some blacks fought for the confederacy" could equally be used to cast doubt upon those minority of native americans suggesting the name must be changed as it is to cast doubt on those that suggest it should remain.

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Maybe I'm a boring pragmatic but wouldn't it be more useful for these organizations to band together and assist the Washington Redskins with the name change? I'm sure they could raise sufficient funds to help the owner with some of the necessary costs associated with this change. They could also assist with a Washington DC area Campaign to rename the team and find out what other names would be acceptable to Redskin fans.

    When a highly successful person feels like he is getting pushed around he isn't going to submit to any of your demands even if they are reasonable and good. This could be worked out if one side was willing to swallow their pride with the understanding that the other side will never swallow their pride. That's how you get things done. You get more flies with honey than with vinegar.

    Since neither the National Congress of American Indians, the United South and Eastern Tribes, the Affiliated Tribes of Northwest Indians, the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, the Comanche Nation of Oklahoma, the Fort Peck Tribal Executive Board, the Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians, the Great Lakes Inter-Tribal Council, the Gun Lake Band of Potawatomi Indians, the Inter-Tribal Council of the Five Civilized Tribes, the Inter Tribal Council of Arizona, the Juaneno Band of Mission Indians, the Little River Band of Ottawa Indians, the Menominee Tribe of Indians, the Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin, the Oneida Indian Nation, the Poarch Band of Creek Indians, the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma, the Sault St. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians, the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, the Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation, the Three Affiliated Tribes of the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation or the United Indian Nations of Oklahoma have any legal justification for their case I would suggest they be the side that compromises in order to get this accomplished. The owner won't be bullied around. If you bully him more he'll be even less inclined to reason. If you bully him a little bit more than that he'll be even less likely to listen to reasonable request. If you bully him more than that he could just quit listening altogether and nothing will ever get accomplished.

    This can only be accomplished if one side is willing to chose action over winning. Winning feels good but it should be about more than just winning. The name probably does need to be changed but you have to be willing to do what it takes to make that happen.

    Judging from all those tribes and organizations that you posted it would appear they have banded together and in spite of your claims that they don't have a legal justification and bullying, the Indians have won a major victory in court. The Redskins franchise lost the patent rights to the name which could mean a loss of millions in merchandising.

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There you go...Native Americans who don't agree with primarily a bunch of white people telling them what should be "offensive" to them is tantamount to supporting slavery. Nevermind that the argument that "some blacks fought for the confederacy" could equally be used to cast doubt upon those minority of native americans suggesting the name must be changed as it is to cast doubt on those that suggest it should remain.

    "This idea that the fight against the mascoting of Native people is something new and led by white folks is ... yet another way of cutting Native people out of the American discourse about things that matter to us," Keeler says. "By reframing the issue this way the Washington NFL team continues to make real, modern Native people to disappear, much as their mascot does. It's a continuation of the extinguishment of the Native voice and the appropriation of our identity and lands."

    Zirin says that Snyder will lose the debate because "he keeps arguing with ghosts: these imaginary white liberal politically correct sportswriting phantasms who in his mind are out to get him and his beloved brand. Meanwhile, he refuses to sit down across the table from the very Native Americans who are objecting to this name."


    Read more at Palin's Redskins Rant: Using a Political Football to Silence a People - ICTMN.com

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    I voted yes. I never really thought about it much but I can see how it could be insulting or demeaning. Seems there are those that thinks its not offensive. My question is would you introduce a native Indian friend as a Redskin. Would you use it in normal conversation with a Native Indian. To tell the truth I might have before without thinking about it. I doubt I would do it now. Not of major importance, I'm not going to march on Washington or write my congressman. But I think having the name changed would show a sign of respect. We've kind of screwed them over from the beginning taking their land and all. Might as well make some amends.
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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Of course, the question isn't if the government should force them to change, but if they should change. Would it be right for them to do so?

    If Snyder wants to continue to give everybody a big middle finger, that's his right. It is, however, damaging the very brand he wants to protect.
    If polls mean anything, I'd say Snyder is engendering the exact opposite.
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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So I take it you don't purchase anything from the NFL or contribute to anything that would help justify their ability to sell advertising and television rights? Because the NFL engages in revenue sharing, which means support to the NFL is ultimately financially supporting it's teams...including the Redskins.
    I happen to be a Raiders fan and we beat the Redskins on Black Sunday (SB XVIII), what I'd like to know is what are these twits going to do about the history of the team? Erase it? This team has won and lost Super Bowls, this is a storied team. They gona sweep all that under the rug? They gona photoshop all the films and pictures, and voice over all the game audio? How far do they intend to take this?
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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's very simple. Say it slowly with me:

    Racial stereotypes are bad for society.

    6 words.

    6 words that are true and it doesn't matter one ****ing bit who is or who is not offended by whatever.
    Say these words with me, "It take's two people to communicate". "One to say the words, the other to hear them and accept them." Here's a little nursery rhyme. "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will NEVER hurt me." People who get a offended are just puppets. People who are easily manipulated by their betters.
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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    False analogy. Indians can't change the color of their skin...but the KKK can change the color of their sheets.
    False rebuttal. Native americans arent Indian or redskinned.

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    Re: Do you think the Washington Redskins NFL team should change their name?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    "This idea that the fight against the mascoting of Native people is something new and led by white folks is
    It absolutely isn't "something new". It's been going on since the 70's at least. However, the FERVOR over it is absolutely something new and many of the more recent people coming out speaking out against it absolutely are "new". An example is Phil Simms, who has for years upon years said "Redskin" during games without a second thought but has suddenly just this year decided he won't say it. The "new" notion is in terms of the fervent and continual media attention given to it, not the movement itself.

    The movement being "led" by white folks is a misnomer and few people suggest that. However, it's indisputable that the majority of the people who have came out in favor of changing the name ARE non-native americans. Indeed, every scientific poll taken on the matter shows the general population is routinely more offended by the name than the native american population.

    Additionally, in terms of my comment about "white people telling them"; yes, absolutely I mean that. ProFootballTalk, a news outlet routinely running the stories telling people native americans should be offended is ran by a white person. Mike Wise, the biggest media proponent of the name change in the Redskins home location, is a white person who actively calls natives who disagree with him "Uncle Tomahawk". Many of those at ESPN running their consistent stories and outside the line pieces are white. The original person pushing this is absolutely a native american, but the reality is the main people MESSAGING THIS TO THE PUBLIC are absolutely white people.

    ... yet another way of cutting Native people out of the American discourse about things that matter to us," Keeler says.
    And this is yet another ignorant Native American who egotistically believe they speak for "us", when in reality while native americans share an ethnicity there is substantial differences amongst various tribal and geographical lines. It's laughable how some people SCREAM about how horrible racial stereotypes is, and yet many of the native americans and others pushing for the name change are arguing from a foundation of STEREOTYPES by suggesting that inherently all native americans are or should be offended.

    They aren't. There are groups and individuals across the nation of native american dissent that support the name, do not find it offensive or being used as a slur, and some have even expressed their offense at people falsely using "native americans" as some kind of broad group in an effort to change the name.

    "By reframing the issue this way the Washington NFL team continues to make real, modern Native people to disappear, much as their mascot does.
    And thus the egotistical and ignorant trend continues by this gentleman to declare that "real" Native people MUST agree with him. It's funny watching how liberals screamed bloody murder when Sarah Palin used the "real american" line, but have no seeming issue with this native american declaring that those who don't agree with him are not "real native americans". They scream about "extinguishment of Native voice" while purposefully and completely ignoring native voices themselves via their continual ignoring of polls and public statements showing of native americans, at times a vast majority, disagreeing with him over this issue.

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