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Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2014?

Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2014?


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Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

It's hardly on fire.

Pakistan and Egypt have had issues for years, nothing new there. Al Qaeda is pretty throughly beaten down (though we should note that terrorism is a technique rather than an organization, and "eliminating terrorism" is as foolish as "eliminating guerrilla warfare.")

Conflicts in many parts of the world have actually calmed down lately -- e.g. there's far less conflict in most of Central and South America these, mostly due to quasi- and ex-Marxist insurgencies giving up. Southeast Asia and the Himalayas are generally quite calm, e.g. Nepal's Maoist insurgency is far less active than in previous years; the government of Myanmar/Burma is slowly relaxing its totalitarian grip; separatist insurgents in Thailand are still active, but engaged in peace talks. Morocco's conflicts have calmed down; Tunisia seems to be doing fairly well; Algeria is generally stable. Israeli-Palestinian talks are continuing, and the latest conflict was actually pretty short. Russia attacking Crimea and the Ukraine isn't much different than their invasion of Chechnya (remember that?).

It only seems like "everything is getting worse!" if you fail to pay attention to the various successes and improvements, and assume that every bad event around a very large and very populated world is the Worst Thing Ever.



I would.

Almost all of the 9/11 hijackers entered the US on travel or business visas. Students who fly to the US will face the same level of scrutiny as anyone else. The student visa program does need tightening up, but it's not an existential threat to the US. Neither is ISIL/ISIS, which is kind of busy trying to consolidate its holdings and actually manage (and cruelly dominate) an actual state, and is also getting bombed by the US and attacked by the Kurds. And who knows what the NSA is doing?

Granted, it's not smart to bury one's head in the ground and act like everything is just fine. At the same time, reacting with too much fear to the conditions of the world results in an equally negative overreaction. E.g. it wastes resources, it can turn our attention away from more critical vulnerabilities, and can inure the public to warnings of threats.


Its not on fire? Hows Bahrain, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, looking? Now Libya, Mali, Ivory Coast, Somalia, and the rest of Central Africa looking? Now hows things working out with the Philippines, Vietnam, Japan and China? Which says nothing about Russia and the Ukraine or any there getting involved. Nor Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Moreover just because Egypt and Pakistan have had issues for years. Doesn't mean they don't play into all the other conflicts arising or that have arisen. Which this doesn't even Count the Palestinians and Israel.

Also AQ is not beaten down. Their numbers have increased and so have their attacks. Which this doesn't count Ansar al Sharia which has spread from Yemen to Libya. Nor does it count Boko Haram in Nigeria and the Surrounding region.
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

Well.....Sept has arrived. We are down to 10 more days until the Anniversary of 911. We have asked others to up their security and watch for those who have Passports with their Airports. We have had to evacuate our Embassies in Iraq and Libya. We have AQAP threatening and taunting us in their New Magazine. Then we have ISIL who has threatened to come after us if we didn't stop the airstrikes on them. We continued and now they are vocal and probing us.

Last year BO did not set the Nation at the highest level. He didn't do so in 2012 and We lost an Ambassador in Libya. With the way things have been with our relations overseas. Should we take any chances this year? What say ye?

Terrorists in Libya have stolen several passenger airplanes and there is talk of an attack on 9/11. Europe is freaking out about terror attacks. And our chump President is telling everyone to relax.

Based on this alone, yes we should.
Missing Libyan Jetliners Raise Fears of Suicide Airliner Attacks on 9/11 | Washington Free Beacon
New ISIS Video Purports to Show Beheading of Another U.S. Journalist « CBS DC
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

Terrorists in Libya have stolen several passenger airplanes and there is talk of an attack on 9/11. Europe is freaking out about terror attacks. And our chump President is telling everyone to relax.

Based on this alone, yes we should.
Missing Libyan Jetliners Raise Fears of Suicide Airliner Attacks on 9/11 | Washington Free Beacon
New ISIS Video Purports to Show Beheading of Another U.S. Journalist « CBS DC

Heya USC. :2wave: I didn't see that they had a missing Jetliner.....out of Libya. But I do have up that those in Benghazi declared themselves an Islamic Emirate.Which would be those supporting Ansar al Sharia. Thanks for that Link.
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

Its not on fire?
That's what I said.


Hows Bahrain, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, looking?
How were South and Central America looking in the 90s and 00s? How does Angola look, with UNITA out of the picture? How does Iraq now stack up to years of sectarian violence, when the US was there?

Bahrain has actually calmed down, though a lack of peaceful protest might not actually be a great thing. Yemen is dealing with the remnants of AQ, but are also undergoing a peaceful transition to a modified government -- undeterred by some fringe terrorist activity.

We even see Iran, of all nations, making tentative moves to reconciling with the US, and possibly even working in some capacity with the US in reining in Islamic State. If I told you in 2012 that the US and Iran would have a common enemy, you'd have called me a lunatic. (And with good reason.) And yet, here we are.


Now Libya, Mali, Ivory Coast, Somalia, and the rest of Central Africa looking?
Unfortunately, parts of Africa (especially Central Africa) have been mired in civil conflicts for years, of varying intensities. Even so, the number of conflicts has dropped precipitously since the early 1990s, when the USSR ceased to be a major player in foreign affairs. M23 has given up, LRA is running scared in the forests. Insurgencies like those groups tend to burn themselves out in time, in part because they rarely work, and in many cases because their repeated failures push them to commit atrocities that alienate their intended constituency.

In addition, we've seen a big shift after WWII from interstate conflicts to civil ones, and many of those are basically small insurgencies that eventually burn out. The end result is that the number of people getting killed in wars has been falling.


Now hows things working out with the Philippines, Vietnam, Japan and China?
Erm... Japan and China are on fire? Are they shooting each other? Are they bombing each other's cities? Is Japan likely to invade Manchuria again?


Which says nothing about Russia and the Ukraine or any there getting involved. Nor Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Again: The Russia-Ukraine conflict is far less devastating than the Russian invasions of Chechnya; Pakistan has had issues for years, so no change there, except for a decline in violence in Kashmir and Jammu; Afghanistan has also been wracked with violence for decades, in no small part due to the meddling of outsiders.


Moreover just because Egypt and Pakistan have had issues for years. Doesn't mean they don't play into all the other conflicts arising or that have arisen.
Egypt's conflict is strictly local, and has not flared up into widespread violence. In fact, and as you seem to have missed, Egypt has been instrumental in the recent Israeli-Palestinian cease-fires. Locking up Muslim Brotherhood leaders is definitely not a good thing, but it's actually not substantially different than what was happening in Mubarak's regime. Neither Egypt nor Pakistan's political issues seem to destabilize their neighbors.


Which this doesn't even Count the Palestinians and Israel.
I did mention that conflict. It's been dragging on for decades, and a brief flare-up is really not new. In fact, this round of violence was far shorter than, say, the 1st and 2nd Intifadas.


Also AQ is not beaten down. Their numbers have increased and so have their attacks.
Osama Bin Laden is dead. Several major leaders are dead or jailed. Organizations like Islamic State have no fear of splitting from or criticizing AQ. They're hardly a major world threat at this time.


Which this doesn't count Ansar al Sharia which has spread from Yemen to Libya. Nor does it count Boko Haram in Nigeria and the Surrounding region.
Boko Haram is no worse than M23, or LRA, or a whole series of insurgencies that have been active in Africa since the 1960s.


So again... The world is certainly far from perfect, but it's also not even remotely the case that things are Worse Than They've Ever Been. Compared to just 30 years ago, there has been marked reduction in the number and severity of conflicts. The only way you can think the world is en fuego, and so much worse than some nebulous time in the past, is to not actually know very much about the long-term and short-term history of conflicts, wars, insurgencies and conflict.
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

Heya USC. :2wave: I didn't see that they had a missing Jetliner.....out of Libya. But I do have up that those in Benghazi declared themselves an Islamic Emirate.Which would be those supporting Ansar al Sharia. Thanks for that Link.

Several airliners, just before 9/11-and speculation in the media that it would be a prime time to attack. And lets not forget its only been 2 years since Obama and Hillary left a sitting US ambassador-the Presidents representative-to be killed by terrorists...again-on 9/11.
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

That's what I said.



How were South and Central America looking in the 90s and 00s? How does Angola look, with UNITA out of the picture? How does Iraq now stack up to years of sectarian violence, when the US was there?

Bahrain has actually calmed down, though a lack of peaceful protest might not actually be a great thing. Yemen is dealing with the remnants of AQ, but are also undergoing a peaceful transition to a modified government -- undeterred by some fringe terrorist activity.

We even see Iran, of all nations, making tentative moves to reconciling with the US, and possibly even working in some capacity with the US in reining in Islamic State. If I told you in 2012 that the US and Iran would have a common enemy, you'd have called me a lunatic. (And with good reason.) And yet, here we are.



Unfortunately, parts of Africa (especially Central Africa) have been mired in civil conflicts for years, of varying intensities. Even so, the number of conflicts has dropped precipitously since the early 1990s, when the USSR ceased to be a major player in foreign affairs. M23 has given up, LRA is running scared in the forests. Insurgencies like those groups tend to burn themselves out in time, in part because they rarely work, and in many cases because their repeated failures push them to commit atrocities that alienate their intended constituency.

In addition, we've seen a big shift after WWII from interstate conflicts to civil ones, and many of those are basically small insurgencies that eventually burn out. The end result is that the number of people getting killed in wars has been falling.



Erm... Japan and China are on fire? Are they shooting each other? Are they bombing each other's cities? Is Japan likely to invade Manchuria again?



Again: The Russia-Ukraine conflict is far less devastating than the Russian invasions of Chechnya; Pakistan has had issues for years, so no change there, except for a decline in violence in Kashmir and Jammu; Afghanistan has also been wracked with violence for decades, in no small part due to the meddling of outsiders.



Egypt's conflict is strictly local, and has not flared up into widespread violence. In fact, and as you seem to have missed, Egypt has been instrumental in the recent Israeli-Palestinian cease-fires. Locking up Muslim Brotherhood leaders is definitely not a good thing, but it's actually not substantially different than what was happening in Mubarak's regime. Neither Egypt nor Pakistan's political issues seem to destabilize their neighbors.



I did mention that conflict. It's been dragging on for decades, and a brief flare-up is really not new. In fact, this round of violence was far shorter than, say, the 1st and 2nd Intifadas.



Osama Bin Laden is dead. Several major leaders are dead or jailed. Organizations like Islamic State have no fear of splitting from or criticizing AQ. They're hardly a major world threat at this time.



Boko Haram is no worse than M23, or LRA, or a whole series of insurgencies that have been active in Africa since the 1960s.


So again... The world is certainly far from perfect, but it's also not even remotely the case that things are Worse Than They've Ever Been. Compared to just 30 years ago, there has been marked reduction in the number and severity of conflicts. The only way you can think the world is en fuego, and so much worse than some nebulous time in the past, is to not actually know very much about the long-term and short-term history of conflicts, wars, insurgencies and conflict.

Yeah I know that's what you said.....but as usual. Just because one says something. Doesn't mean its anywhere close to being accurate.

You might want to go and look into the International Politics forum. Look up Yemen and Bahrain. I doubt the Shia are just protesting peacefully. Oh and glad you weren't up on Japan and China's dispute over the islands they are both claiming.

Also Grip said things were on fire.....not that things are Worse than they ever have been. You were able to discern the difference.....correct?
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

Several airliners, just before 9/11-and speculation in the media that it would be a prime time to attack. And lets not forget its only been 2 years since Obama and Hillary left a sitting US ambassador-the Presidents representative-to be killed by terrorists...again-on 9/11.

Yeah that's what I have been picking up.....several Airliners missing. The worse part is.....we have no one in Libya that can operate openly to attempt to find them.
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

Yeah that's what I have been picking up.....several Airliners missing. The worse part is.....we have no one in Libya that can operate openly to attempt to find them.

ISIS, Libya, Nigeria, etc...these are scary times, Im expecting an attack, here or in europe any day.
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

ISIS, Libya, Nigeria, etc...these are scary times, Im expecting an attack, here or in europe any day.

I don't think it will be here in the US.....but I do think they might go after us overseas.

One thing I hope ISIL is thinking about.....that would be how they feel when they see we will go after their Supporters. Including those Right here in the US that think they will have some Rights being American. Do you think they will be able to understand the concept.....that there are those amongst us. That will find ways to make ISIL think before they open their mouths.
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

Yeah I know that's what you said.....but as usual. Just because one says something. Doesn't mean its anywhere close to being accurate.
And yet, nothing in your reply actually refuted my points. Quelle surprise.


Also Grip said things were on fire.....not that things are Worse than they ever have been. You were able to discern the difference.....correct?
Please. Grip was obviously suggesting that the world is going to hell in a handbasket. And while it's far from paradise, it's pretty clear that it's still much more stable than in the early 1990s, and that the kind of flare-ups we see now are actually routine for the so-called "Long Peace."
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

next week will be the time for terrorists to strike....

sept 11th holds significance for them.....and not just the recent attacks

i wouldnt want to be in europe over the next week or so.....

things could get real dicey....especially with the missing planes
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

And yet, nothing in your reply actually refuted my points. Quelle surprise.



Please. Grip was obviously suggesting that the world is going to hell in a handbasket. And while it's far from paradise, it's pretty clear that it's still much more stable than in the early 1990s, and that the kind of flare-ups we see now are actually routine for the so-called "Long Peace."



Then you were reading it wrong.....and really there isn't much of anything you said that shows what I stated wasn't true. So save the rest of the BS for someone that you can impress.
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

I don't think that it needs to necessarily needs to be on the highest security, but we definitely need to raise it. You never know what can happen, especially in the world in which we live. I mean they have shown us that they are in the US. That alone needs to worry government officials but there is no need to bring out the highest level of security, that would just really freak out Americans and the world for that matter.
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

Any nasty videos hit Youtube that we should worry about? :lol:
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

next week will be the time for terrorists to strike....
Just like they did in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2013?


i wouldnt want to be in europe over the next week or so.....
Seriously? Europe's a big place. What do you imagine will happen?
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

Well.....Sept has arrived. We are down to 10 more days until the Anniversary of 911. We have asked others to up their security and watch for those who have Passports with their Airports. We have had to evacuate our Embassies in Iraq and Libya. We have AQAP threatening and taunting us in their New Magazine. Then we have ISIL who has threatened to come after us if we didn't stop the airstrikes on them. We continued and now they are vocal and probing us.

Last year BO did not set the Nation at the highest level. He didn't do so in 2012 and We lost an Ambassador in Libya. With the way things have been with our relations overseas. Should we take any chances this year? What say ye?

Oh for Christ's sake we have DHS, TSA, FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF, The New York Port Authority and God knows how many more security agencies working on this and have for some time now. Do we really need to send up a white flag and tell the terrorist they are making some of us pee our panties?

Sure we might get a hit or something but in reality the chances of anyone on this board of getting attacked personally are worse than the lottery.

Pull your panties up and stiffen your lip. We live in a brave new world and if you can't take go behind the woodshed and blow your brains out.
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

That's what was said in 2012 and we lost a US Ambassador.....Its a simple matter and on that Day. All our Diplomats will stay on lockdown in hot areas if the level is raised to its highest.

Do you have any idea how many embassies were attacked before the present president? I'll give you a hint. It was a lot more than one.

Oh hell I'll tell you: We had 13 Benghazies during Bush's watch. 13!
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

I'll be flying on 9-11, but admit I'm a little apprehensive. Not about my flight, but about our country experiencing some sort of attack on that day. Let's just hope the terrorists remain as ineffective as our president. Neither of them seem to be able to find their own butts with both hands.

I wouldn't mind a higher state of security this year. Then again, that might result in a full body pat down by a butch TSA agent. I could do without that.

So you're not happy either way and no one can do right by you. Got it.

And btw as you criticize the president for not having a handle on this you are all criticizing all our security agencies. They are the ones putting their asses on the line to protect you. If you only knew what has gone on behind the scenes that you will never know about.
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

As long as golf courses aren't being threatened, this president isn't engaged.

Unfortunately we have no leader. :(

Wah, wah, wah.
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

Oh for Christ's sake we have DHS, TSA, FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF, The New York Port Authority and God knows how many more security agencies working on this and have for some time now. Do we really need to send up a white flag and tell the terrorist they are making some of us pee our panties?

Sure we might get a hit or something but in reality the chances of anyone on this board of getting attacked personally are worse than the lottery.

Pull your panties up and stiffen your lip. We live in a brave new world and if you can't take go behind the woodshed and blow your brains out.


You didn't think because I put this up, that it means I would have any worries for myself and those of my very own people.....did you? Your not that naïve are you. To be aware is to be alive.

Oh and I at least thought about my bruthas and cuzins who are overseas. Who do actually serve.

Rangers lead the way. Sua Sponte. Hu-ah!
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

Do you have any idea how many embassies were attacked before the present president? I'll give you a hint. It was a lot more than one.

Oh hell I'll tell you: We had 13 Benghazies during Bush's watch. 13!



Really.....well here is a bigger hint. How does two wrongs make it Right? :roll:
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

You didn't think because I put this up, that it means I would have any worries for myself and those of my very own people.....did you? Your not that naïve are you. To be aware is to be alive.

Oh and I at least thought about my bruthas and cuzins who are overseas. Who do actually serve.

Rangers lead the way. Sua Sponte. Hu-ah!

I served too as did my ancestors that go back to the American revolution that came to America in 1650. I'll be damned if a rag tag of malcontent POS camel jockey's (albeit well funded) will cause me to cower.

The ol' man who was a Green Beret during the Vietnam era says if someone wants to hit us they'll find a way but there is no sense in worrying about it.

Don't worry about your fellow servicemen and women. They can take care of themselves. If they couldn't they wouldn't have made it past basic let alone Ranger training.
 
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Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

Really.....well here is a bigger hint. How does two wrongs make it Right? :roll:

It doesn't. But don't bring up Benghazi like it's never happened before.
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

I served too as did my ancestors that go back to the American revolution that came to America in 1650. I'll be damned if a rag tag of malcontent POS's camel jockey's albeit well funded will cause me to cower.


In Combat?

Oh and just so ya know.....I was warring a long time before I joined Uncle Sams Gang, and at some very young ages.

Who says one is cowering to be on alert. Don't know much about banging huh?
 
Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

It doesn't. But don't bring up Benghazi like it's never happened before.

Oh I know its happened before.....even with Susan Rice and like back then. Security was an issue. One that Demos Swore they took care of. So yeah there is a very good reason to bring up Benghazi. As history was doing an identical repeat. The ironic part with Susan Rice still being allowed to be in Government.

Of course that all ends.....once BO hits pasture. Then she will be out for good. So we wont have anymore of her screw ups and never getting it Right, or ever being Right, in her entire career.
 
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