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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    That's what I said.



    How were South and Central America looking in the 90s and 00s? How does Angola look, with UNITA out of the picture? How does Iraq now stack up to years of sectarian violence, when the US was there?

    Bahrain has actually calmed down, though a lack of peaceful protest might not actually be a great thing. Yemen is dealing with the remnants of AQ, but are also undergoing a peaceful transition to a modified government -- undeterred by some fringe terrorist activity.

    We even see Iran, of all nations, making tentative moves to reconciling with the US, and possibly even working in some capacity with the US in reining in Islamic State. If I told you in 2012 that the US and Iran would have a common enemy, you'd have called me a lunatic. (And with good reason.) And yet, here we are.



    Unfortunately, parts of Africa (especially Central Africa) have been mired in civil conflicts for years, of varying intensities. Even so, the number of conflicts has dropped precipitously since the early 1990s, when the USSR ceased to be a major player in foreign affairs. M23 has given up, LRA is running scared in the forests. Insurgencies like those groups tend to burn themselves out in time, in part because they rarely work, and in many cases because their repeated failures push them to commit atrocities that alienate their intended constituency.

    In addition, we've seen a big shift after WWII from interstate conflicts to civil ones, and many of those are basically small insurgencies that eventually burn out. The end result is that the number of people getting killed in wars has been falling.



    Erm... Japan and China are on fire? Are they shooting each other? Are they bombing each other's cities? Is Japan likely to invade Manchuria again?



    Again: The Russia-Ukraine conflict is far less devastating than the Russian invasions of Chechnya; Pakistan has had issues for years, so no change there, except for a decline in violence in Kashmir and Jammu; Afghanistan has also been wracked with violence for decades, in no small part due to the meddling of outsiders.



    Egypt's conflict is strictly local, and has not flared up into widespread violence. In fact, and as you seem to have missed, Egypt has been instrumental in the recent Israeli-Palestinian cease-fires. Locking up Muslim Brotherhood leaders is definitely not a good thing, but it's actually not substantially different than what was happening in Mubarak's regime. Neither Egypt nor Pakistan's political issues seem to destabilize their neighbors.



    I did mention that conflict. It's been dragging on for decades, and a brief flare-up is really not new. In fact, this round of violence was far shorter than, say, the 1st and 2nd Intifadas.



    Osama Bin Laden is dead. Several major leaders are dead or jailed. Organizations like Islamic State have no fear of splitting from or criticizing AQ. They're hardly a major world threat at this time.



    Boko Haram is no worse than M23, or LRA, or a whole series of insurgencies that have been active in Africa since the 1960s.


    So again... The world is certainly far from perfect, but it's also not even remotely the case that things are Worse Than They've Ever Been. Compared to just 30 years ago, there has been marked reduction in the number and severity of conflicts. The only way you can think the world is en fuego, and so much worse than some nebulous time in the past, is to not actually know very much about the long-term and short-term history of conflicts, wars, insurgencies and conflict.
    Yeah I know that's what you said.....but as usual. Just because one says something. Doesn't mean its anywhere close to being accurate.

    You might want to go and look into the International Politics forum. Look up Yemen and Bahrain. I doubt the Shia are just protesting peacefully. Oh and glad you weren't up on Japan and China's dispute over the islands they are both claiming.

    Also Grip said things were on fire.....not that things are Worse than they ever have been. You were able to discern the difference.....correct?

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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Several airliners, just before 9/11-and speculation in the media that it would be a prime time to attack. And lets not forget its only been 2 years since Obama and Hillary left a sitting US ambassador-the Presidents representative-to be killed by terrorists...again-on 9/11.
    Yeah that's what I have been picking up.....several Airliners missing. The worse part is.....we have no one in Libya that can operate openly to attempt to find them.

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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah that's what I have been picking up.....several Airliners missing. The worse part is.....we have no one in Libya that can operate openly to attempt to find them.
    ISIS, Libya, Nigeria, etc...these are scary times, Im expecting an attack, here or in europe any day.

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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    ISIS, Libya, Nigeria, etc...these are scary times, Im expecting an attack, here or in europe any day.
    I don't think it will be here in the US.....but I do think they might go after us overseas.

    One thing I hope ISIL is thinking about.....that would be how they feel when they see we will go after their Supporters. Including those Right here in the US that think they will have some Rights being American. Do you think they will be able to understand the concept.....that there are those amongst us. That will find ways to make ISIL think before they open their mouths.

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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah I know that's what you said.....but as usual. Just because one says something. Doesn't mean its anywhere close to being accurate.
    And yet, nothing in your reply actually refuted my points. Quelle surprise.


    Also Grip said things were on fire.....not that things are Worse than they ever have been. You were able to discern the difference.....correct?
    Please. Grip was obviously suggesting that the world is going to hell in a handbasket. And while it's far from paradise, it's pretty clear that it's still much more stable than in the early 1990s, and that the kind of flare-ups we see now are actually routine for the so-called "Long Peace."

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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    next week will be the time for terrorists to strike....

    sept 11th holds significance for them.....and not just the recent attacks

    i wouldnt want to be in europe over the next week or so.....

    things could get real dicey....especially with the missing planes
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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    And yet, nothing in your reply actually refuted my points. Quelle surprise.



    Please. Grip was obviously suggesting that the world is going to hell in a handbasket. And while it's far from paradise, it's pretty clear that it's still much more stable than in the early 1990s, and that the kind of flare-ups we see now are actually routine for the so-called "Long Peace."


    Then you were reading it wrong.....and really there isn't much of anything you said that shows what I stated wasn't true. So save the rest of the BS for someone that you can impress.

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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    I don't think that it needs to necessarily needs to be on the highest security, but we definitely need to raise it. You never know what can happen, especially in the world in which we live. I mean they have shown us that they are in the US. That alone needs to worry government officials but there is no need to bring out the highest level of security, that would just really freak out Americans and the world for that matter.

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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Any nasty videos hit Youtube that we should worry about?
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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    next week will be the time for terrorists to strike....
    Just like they did in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2013?


    i wouldnt want to be in europe over the next week or so.....
    Seriously? Europe's a big place. What do you imagine will happen?

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