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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    JV boys looking to letter are not going to do anything. Just ask Obama.

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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Oh yeah, the old Homeland security threat advisory system. I never really understood what we were supposed to do with it- do we start shooting anybody who looked suspicious or just get more paranoid and smoke more pot and barricade ourselves at home as the so-called threat levels increased?


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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    That will be one of the safest days to fly.

    When Pan Am Flight 103 blew up over Lockerbie, Scotland I wait a week or so and booked Pan Am to London and Flight 103 coming back. I knew I'd get a hell of a deal (and I did). I also knew that would be a very safe flight. It was.
    100% agree. IMO, by far the safest time to fly is in the days immediately after a terrorist attack. Dealing with the long security lines, however, is likely to be a major hassle.
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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    100% agree. IMO, by far the safest time to fly is in the days immediately after a terrorist attack. Dealing with the long security lines, however, is likely to be a major hassle.
    I have a TSA Global/Trusted Traveler Pass. No longer do I have to wait in long lines for domestic travel or re-entry from foreign travel.










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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The world is practically on fire right now with Libya being over run, I/P conflict, Egypt unstable, Pakistan with tens of thousands protesting, AQ in Somali and Yemen, now Russia invading Ukraine, with NATO reacting....
    It's hardly on fire.

    Pakistan and Egypt have had issues for years, nothing new there. Al Qaeda is pretty throughly beaten down (though we should note that terrorism is a technique rather than an organization, and "eliminating terrorism" is as foolish as "eliminating guerrilla warfare.")

    Conflicts in many parts of the world have actually calmed down lately -- e.g. there's far less conflict in most of Central and South America these, mostly due to quasi- and ex-Marxist insurgencies giving up. Southeast Asia and the Himalayas are generally quite calm, e.g. Nepal's Maoist insurgency is far less active than in previous years; the government of Myanmar/Burma is slowly relaxing its totalitarian grip; separatist insurgents in Thailand are still active, but engaged in peace talks. Morocco's conflicts have calmed down; Tunisia seems to be doing fairly well; Algeria is generally stable. Israeli-Palestinian talks are continuing, and the latest conflict was actually pretty short. Russia attacking Crimea and the Ukraine isn't much different than their invasion of Chechnya (remember that?).

    It only seems like "everything is getting worse!" if you fail to pay attention to the various successes and improvements, and assume that every bad event around a very large and very populated world is the Worst Thing Ever.


    I wouldn't dismiss the US getting hit according to this article....
    I would.

    Almost all of the 9/11 hijackers entered the US on travel or business visas. Students who fly to the US will face the same level of scrutiny as anyone else. The student visa program does need tightening up, but it's not an existential threat to the US. Neither is ISIL/ISIS, which is kind of busy trying to consolidate its holdings and actually manage (and cruelly dominate) an actual state, and is also getting bombed by the US and attacked by the Kurds. And who knows what the NSA is doing?

    Granted, it's not smart to bury one's head in the ground and act like everything is just fine. At the same time, reacting with too much fear to the conditions of the world results in an equally negative overreaction. E.g. it wastes resources, it can turn our attention away from more critical vulnerabilities, and can inure the public to warnings of threats.

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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    It's hardly on fire.

    Pakistan and Egypt have had issues for years, nothing new there. Al Qaeda is pretty throughly beaten down (though we should note that terrorism is a technique rather than an organization, and "eliminating terrorism" is as foolish as "eliminating guerrilla warfare.")

    Conflicts in many parts of the world have actually calmed down lately -- e.g. there's far less conflict in most of Central and South America these, mostly due to quasi- and ex-Marxist insurgencies giving up. Southeast Asia and the Himalayas are generally quite calm, e.g. Nepal's Maoist insurgency is far less active than in previous years; the government of Myanmar/Burma is slowly relaxing its totalitarian grip; separatist insurgents in Thailand are still active, but engaged in peace talks. Morocco's conflicts have calmed down; Tunisia seems to be doing fairly well; Algeria is generally stable. Israeli-Palestinian talks are continuing, and the latest conflict was actually pretty short. Russia attacking Crimea and the Ukraine isn't much different than their invasion of Chechnya (remember that?).

    It only seems like "everything is getting worse!" if you fail to pay attention to the various successes and improvements, and assume that every bad event around a very large and very populated world is the Worst Thing Ever.



    I would.

    Almost all of the 9/11 hijackers entered the US on travel or business visas. Students who fly to the US will face the same level of scrutiny as anyone else. The student visa program does need tightening up, but it's not an existential threat to the US. Neither is ISIL/ISIS, which is kind of busy trying to consolidate its holdings and actually manage (and cruelly dominate) an actual state, and is also getting bombed by the US and attacked by the Kurds. And who knows what the NSA is doing?

    Granted, it's not smart to bury one's head in the ground and act like everything is just fine. At the same time, reacting with too much fear to the conditions of the world results in an equally negative overreaction. E.g. it wastes resources, it can turn our attention away from more critical vulnerabilities, and can inure the public to warnings of threats.

    Its not on fire? Hows Bahrain, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, looking? Now Libya, Mali, Ivory Coast, Somalia, and the rest of Central Africa looking? Now hows things working out with the Philippines, Vietnam, Japan and China? Which says nothing about Russia and the Ukraine or any there getting involved. Nor Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    Moreover just because Egypt and Pakistan have had issues for years. Doesn't mean they don't play into all the other conflicts arising or that have arisen. Which this doesn't even Count the Palestinians and Israel.

    Also AQ is not beaten down. Their numbers have increased and so have their attacks. Which this doesn't count Ansar al Sharia which has spread from Yemen to Libya. Nor does it count Boko Haram in Nigeria and the Surrounding region.

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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well.....Sept has arrived. We are down to 10 more days until the Anniversary of 911. We have asked others to up their security and watch for those who have Passports with their Airports. We have had to evacuate our Embassies in Iraq and Libya. We have AQAP threatening and taunting us in their New Magazine. Then we have ISIL who has threatened to come after us if we didn't stop the airstrikes on them. We continued and now they are vocal and probing us.

    Last year BO did not set the Nation at the highest level. He didn't do so in 2012 and We lost an Ambassador in Libya. With the way things have been with our relations overseas. Should we take any chances this year? What say ye?
    Terrorists in Libya have stolen several passenger airplanes and there is talk of an attack on 9/11. Europe is freaking out about terror attacks. And our chump President is telling everyone to relax.

    Based on this alone, yes we should.
    Missing Libyan Jetliners Raise Fears of Suicide Airliner Attacks on 9/11 | Washington Free Beacon
    New ISIS Video Purports to Show Beheading of Another U.S. Journalist CBS DC

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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Terrorists in Libya have stolen several passenger airplanes and there is talk of an attack on 9/11. Europe is freaking out about terror attacks. And our chump President is telling everyone to relax.

    Based on this alone, yes we should.
    Missing Libyan Jetliners Raise Fears of Suicide Airliner Attacks on 9/11 | Washington Free Beacon
    New ISIS Video Purports to Show Beheading of Another U.S. Journalist CBS DC
    Heya USC. I didn't see that they had a missing Jetliner.....out of Libya. But I do have up that those in Benghazi declared themselves an Islamic Emirate.Which would be those supporting Ansar al Sharia. Thanks for that Link.

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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Its not on fire?
    That's what I said.


    Hows Bahrain, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, looking?
    How were South and Central America looking in the 90s and 00s? How does Angola look, with UNITA out of the picture? How does Iraq now stack up to years of sectarian violence, when the US was there?

    Bahrain has actually calmed down, though a lack of peaceful protest might not actually be a great thing. Yemen is dealing with the remnants of AQ, but are also undergoing a peaceful transition to a modified government -- undeterred by some fringe terrorist activity.

    We even see Iran, of all nations, making tentative moves to reconciling with the US, and possibly even working in some capacity with the US in reining in Islamic State. If I told you in 2012 that the US and Iran would have a common enemy, you'd have called me a lunatic. (And with good reason.) And yet, here we are.


    Now Libya, Mali, Ivory Coast, Somalia, and the rest of Central Africa looking?
    Unfortunately, parts of Africa (especially Central Africa) have been mired in civil conflicts for years, of varying intensities. Even so, the number of conflicts has dropped precipitously since the early 1990s, when the USSR ceased to be a major player in foreign affairs. M23 has given up, LRA is running scared in the forests. Insurgencies like those groups tend to burn themselves out in time, in part because they rarely work, and in many cases because their repeated failures push them to commit atrocities that alienate their intended constituency.

    In addition, we've seen a big shift after WWII from interstate conflicts to civil ones, and many of those are basically small insurgencies that eventually burn out. The end result is that the number of people getting killed in wars has been falling.


    Now hows things working out with the Philippines, Vietnam, Japan and China?
    Erm... Japan and China are on fire? Are they shooting each other? Are they bombing each other's cities? Is Japan likely to invade Manchuria again?


    Which says nothing about Russia and the Ukraine or any there getting involved. Nor Afghanistan and Pakistan.
    Again: The Russia-Ukraine conflict is far less devastating than the Russian invasions of Chechnya; Pakistan has had issues for years, so no change there, except for a decline in violence in Kashmir and Jammu; Afghanistan has also been wracked with violence for decades, in no small part due to the meddling of outsiders.


    Moreover just because Egypt and Pakistan have had issues for years. Doesn't mean they don't play into all the other conflicts arising or that have arisen.
    Egypt's conflict is strictly local, and has not flared up into widespread violence. In fact, and as you seem to have missed, Egypt has been instrumental in the recent Israeli-Palestinian cease-fires. Locking up Muslim Brotherhood leaders is definitely not a good thing, but it's actually not substantially different than what was happening in Mubarak's regime. Neither Egypt nor Pakistan's political issues seem to destabilize their neighbors.


    Which this doesn't even Count the Palestinians and Israel.
    I did mention that conflict. It's been dragging on for decades, and a brief flare-up is really not new. In fact, this round of violence was far shorter than, say, the 1st and 2nd Intifadas.


    Also AQ is not beaten down. Their numbers have increased and so have their attacks.
    Osama Bin Laden is dead. Several major leaders are dead or jailed. Organizations like Islamic State have no fear of splitting from or criticizing AQ. They're hardly a major world threat at this time.


    Which this doesn't count Ansar al Sharia which has spread from Yemen to Libya. Nor does it count Boko Haram in Nigeria and the Surrounding region.
    Boko Haram is no worse than M23, or LRA, or a whole series of insurgencies that have been active in Africa since the 1960s.


    So again... The world is certainly far from perfect, but it's also not even remotely the case that things are Worse Than They've Ever Been. Compared to just 30 years ago, there has been marked reduction in the number and severity of conflicts. The only way you can think the world is en fuego, and so much worse than some nebulous time in the past, is to not actually know very much about the long-term and short-term history of conflicts, wars, insurgencies and conflict.

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    Re: Should the US Raise Security Threat to the Nation at its Highest Level for Sept 2

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya USC. I didn't see that they had a missing Jetliner.....out of Libya. But I do have up that those in Benghazi declared themselves an Islamic Emirate.Which would be those supporting Ansar al Sharia. Thanks for that Link.
    Several airliners, just before 9/11-and speculation in the media that it would be a prime time to attack. And lets not forget its only been 2 years since Obama and Hillary left a sitting US ambassador-the Presidents representative-to be killed by terrorists...again-on 9/11.

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