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Putin's End Game?

What is Putin's End Game?

  • Russia will stop at Ukraine

    Votes: 6 33.3%

  • Russia will continue

    Votes: 8 44.4%

  • It'll eventually all blow over

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • It's the beginning stages of WWIII

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Depends on whether the US engages ISIS

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 7 38.9%
  • Total voters
    18
grip said:
I'd assume so also, or at least put up some really serious sanctions and military defensive line. NATO just threatened more sanctions yesterday, while Russia is calling for the Ukraine to break up, with Russia annexing the Eastern and southern Crimea sections.
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Putin is out of his mind, he's had power for so long that he thinks he can do anything.
 
Sherman123 said:
Russia isn't overly concerned with Ukraine's petroleum industry, what they want is to secure Ukraine as a satellite state with all the attendant benefits that provides. Where will they stop? I think if you see this as a long term process then no they wont stop at Ukraine. Transnistria and Moldova, Georgia and Azerbaijan, potential political bridges into Central and Southern Europe, and menacing the Baltic States all strike me as extremely plausible. Fully returning Ukraine to Russian orbit would put Russia back on the frontiers of Central Europe for the first time since 1991.
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So far, this remains the most logical and reasonable assessment of Putin's goals, which if anyone was paying attention was a promise he made in general terms in the last election. He had warned again and again against the US and NATO meddling in 'his' Ukraine and was ignored by an Obama administration desperate to make "The One" look like he knew what he was doing in the wake of his getting spanked over the Syria "attack" idea.

Putin has always said his aim is to restore Russia's historical place in Europe and he is doing so.

Russia has far more oil reserves than Ukraine, if anyone was lusting after those assets it would be an increasingly thirsty Western Europe, where alternative power is not proving as successful as hoped.

In Russia, the actions of the US in Ukraine are likened to that of Russia having fomented dissent and an overthrow of an elected government in Canada and what would be the "legitimate" response of NATO and the US. And the analogy is not wrong. Russians and Ukrainians live side by side in the region, Russian heritage Ukrainians are in the majority in the east and Russian is far more prevalent than French is here.

Putin wants Russia's "traditional" lands and now, with an incompetent rookie at the helm of the US, a nation spread across the glone hunting terrorists under rocks he sees an opportunity and he is succeeding.
 
grip said:
If Russia eventually succeeds in taking over enough of the Ukraine to secure it's petroleum assets, will they invade another country?
And if so, will the US or NATO actively attack them with a military offensive?
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Putin's only "end game" at this point is saving face. That's actually worse since now its his ego that has to be contended with.
 
Cardinal said:
Putin's only "end game" at this point is saving face. That's actually worse since now its his ego that has to be contended with.
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He probably believes he can come out of this with a 'win, win', because of our perceived weakness. Though I'm sure he's keenly aware of how fast this all can turn sideways, and that he'd like to take whatever gains he's made and go back to normal trade for economical reasons and his ego's sake.
 
grip said:
He probably believes he can come out of this with a 'win, win', because of our perceived weakness. Though I'm sure he's keenly aware of how fast this all can turn sideways, and that he'd like to take whatever gains he's made and go back to normal trade for economical reasons and his ego's sake.
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The perceived weakness is your own perception. The fact of the matter is that the combined efforts of the Western world's sanctions have given Putin a giant headache. Trust me, if he thought we were weak half as much as you like to believe, he would have just taken the damn country already. Instead, the ridiculous pat-a-cake actions he's taken over the course of the last four months means he's trying to figure out a way to finish what he's started without causing any more strife to himself, and not especially succeeding.
 
Fearandloathing said:
So far, this remains the most logical and reasonable assessment of Putin's goals, which if anyone was paying attention was a promise he made in general terms in the last election. He had warned again and again against the US and NATO meddling in 'his' Ukraine and was ignored by an Obama administration desperate to make "The One" look like he knew what he was doing in the wake of his getting spanked over the Syria "attack" idea.

Putin has always said his aim is to restore Russia's historical place in Europe and he is doing so.

Russia has far more oil reserves than Ukraine, if anyone was lusting after those assets it would be an increasingly thirsty Western Europe, where alternative power is not proving as successful as hoped.

In Russia, the actions of the US in Ukraine are likened to that of Russia having fomented dissent and an overthrow of an elected government in Canada and what would be the "legitimate" response of NATO and the US. And the analogy is not wrong. Russians and Ukrainians live side by side in the region, Russian heritage Ukrainians are in the majority in the east and Russian is far more prevalent than French is here.

Putin wants Russia's "traditional" lands and now, with an incompetent rookie at the helm of the US, a nation spread across the glone hunting terrorists under rocks he sees an opportunity and he is succeeding.
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This nut case has made claims in Antarctica, just because he says something is his doesn't make it so in law or in fact. I think Putin has had so much control over propaganda in his own country and his foreign exports that he actually believes his own bull****. Fact of the matter is the Russian Ruble is worth less than the Mexican Peso and if Putin wants to go to war then he and his cult of personality won't have a pot to piss in.
 
Cardinal said:
The perceived weakness is your own perception. The fact of the matter is that the combined efforts of the Western world's sanctions have given Putin a giant headache. Trust me, if he thought we were weak half as much as you like to believe, he would have just taken the damn country already. Instead, the ridiculous pat-a-cake actions he's taken over the course of the last four months means he's trying to figure out a way to finish what he's started without causing any more strife to himself, and not especially succeeding.
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If he had half as much fear as you believe, he would never have pushed this situation to where it's currently heading. I don't think invading the Ukraine with 200 truck convoys and tanks looks like someone who's scared and trying to back out of a situation. I sincerely hope you're right and that he concedes enough to find a diplomatic solution, but so far he seems more than happy to ramp up the crisis on a daily basis.

Yes, he's playing 'tit for tat' but that's not necessarily a sign that he's backing off or showing respect for our strength, only our economic capabilities.
 
grip said:
It probably wouldn't stop Putin either, because he believes Obama and NATO are ***** whipped.

I sure hope we don't see another "Cuban Missile Crisis", like we went thru in the 60's.
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I wonder if Obama plans to issue an executive order that we all start learning Russian ?

It all goes back to when President Clinton's Secretary of State Madeleine Albright convinced Clinton to expand NATO after the Cold War by allowing former Warsaw pact nations like Poland to join NATO.

What was the purpose of NATO ?
To wage war and fight the Soviet Union.
What the **** to you expect Russia to do ?
 
grip said:
How does not having Ukraine's petroleum reserves, especially in the West and Crimea not be an incentive for Russia? They pretty much rely on oil and gas economically, and the Ukraine is a direct connection to Europe's pipelines. I don't think few people would agree with that assessment, though they obviously want to regain as much of the former regions they once incorporated for power.
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Putin already controls the Crimea.

I don't think western Ukraine would go quietly since western Ukraine has the least amount of ethnic Russians.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Putin already controls the Crimea.

I don't think western Ukraine would go quietly since western Ukraine has the least amount of ethnic Russians.
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That's why we see these articles in today's Online News..

Vladimir Putin has absorbed the West's 'consequences' and stepped up his aggression - Telegraph

Polish president warns Germany of Putin's 'empire' ambitions


Putin might eventually settle for what parts Russia has occupied and controlled but western Ukraine probably won't.
 
Other
Putin is not Hitler
Russia is not Germany ... if anyone is .. we are !
How do I know this ?
A bit of history reading.
And, I think its better that the Russians in the Ukraine become part of Russia ..after all, A short time ago, Russia (Soviet Union) was far larger than it is now ...is this right ?
 
Independent of any current or future administration, Putins has his eyes on former glory
 
earthworm said:
Other
Putin is not Hitler
Russia is not Germany ... if anyone is .. we are !
How do I know this ?
A bit of history reading.
And, I think its better that the Russians in the Ukraine become part of Russia ..after all, A short time ago, Russia (Soviet Union) was far larger than it is now ...is this right ?
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True, all ethnic Russians should become part of Russia, small invasions and annexations at first, claims of no more territorial ambitions to follow, peace in our time sir, peace in our time.
 
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