View Poll Results: What is Putin's End Game?

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  • Russia will stop at Ukraine

    7 29.17%
  • Russia will continue

    11 45.83%
  • It'll eventually all blow over

    2 8.33%
  • It's the beginning stages of WWIII

    1 4.17%
  • Depends on whether the US engages ISIS

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    Re: Putin's End Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    So far, this remains the most logical and reasonable assessment of Putin's goals, which if anyone was paying attention was a promise he made in general terms in the last election. He had warned again and again against the US and NATO meddling in 'his' Ukraine and was ignored by an Obama administration desperate to make "The One" look like he knew what he was doing in the wake of his getting spanked over the Syria "attack" idea.

    Putin has always said his aim is to restore Russia's historical place in Europe and he is doing so.

    Russia has far more oil reserves than Ukraine, if anyone was lusting after those assets it would be an increasingly thirsty Western Europe, where alternative power is not proving as successful as hoped.

    In Russia, the actions of the US in Ukraine are likened to that of Russia having fomented dissent and an overthrow of an elected government in Canada and what would be the "legitimate" response of NATO and the US. And the analogy is not wrong. Russians and Ukrainians live side by side in the region, Russian heritage Ukrainians are in the majority in the east and Russian is far more prevalent than French is here.

    Putin wants Russia's "traditional" lands and now, with an incompetent rookie at the helm of the US, a nation spread across the glone hunting terrorists under rocks he sees an opportunity and he is succeeding.
    This nut case has made claims in Antarctica, just because he says something is his doesn't make it so in law or in fact. I think Putin has had so much control over propaganda in his own country and his foreign exports that he actually believes his own bull****. Fact of the matter is the Russian Ruble is worth less than the Mexican Peso and if Putin wants to go to war then he and his cult of personality won't have a pot to piss in.

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    Re: Putin's End Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The perceived weakness is your own perception. The fact of the matter is that the combined efforts of the Western world's sanctions have given Putin a giant headache. Trust me, if he thought we were weak half as much as you like to believe, he would have just taken the damn country already. Instead, the ridiculous pat-a-cake actions he's taken over the course of the last four months means he's trying to figure out a way to finish what he's started without causing any more strife to himself, and not especially succeeding.
    If he had half as much fear as you believe, he would never have pushed this situation to where it's currently heading. I don't think invading the Ukraine with 200 truck convoys and tanks looks like someone who's scared and trying to back out of a situation. I sincerely hope you're right and that he concedes enough to find a diplomatic solution, but so far he seems more than happy to ramp up the crisis on a daily basis.

    Yes, he's playing 'tit for tat' but that's not necessarily a sign that he's backing off or showing respect for our strength, only our economic capabilities.
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    Re: Putin's End Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Putin is out of his mind, he's had power for so long that he thinks he can do anything.
    He's had power for so long BECAUSE he can do anything.

    And you're right. Obama is powerless despite all his teleprompter promises
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    Re: Putin's End Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It probably wouldn't stop Putin either, because he believes Obama and NATO are pussy whipped.

    I sure hope we don't see another "Cuban Missile Crisis", like we went thru in the 60's.
    I wonder if Obama plans to issue an executive order that we all start learning Russian ?

    It all goes back to when President Clinton's Secretary of State Madeleine Albright convinced Clinton to expand NATO after the Cold War by allowing former Warsaw pact nations like Poland to join NATO.

    What was the purpose of NATO ?
    To wage war and fight the Soviet Union.
    What the **** to you expect Russia to do ?

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    Re: Putin's End Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    How does not having Ukraine's petroleum reserves, especially in the West and Crimea not be an incentive for Russia? They pretty much rely on oil and gas economically, and the Ukraine is a direct connection to Europe's pipelines. I don't think few people would agree with that assessment, though they obviously want to regain as much of the former regions they once incorporated for power.
    Putin already controls the Crimea.

    I don't think western Ukraine would go quietly since western Ukraine has the least amount of ethnic Russians.
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    Re: Putin's End Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Putin already controls the Crimea.

    I don't think western Ukraine would go quietly since western Ukraine has the least amount of ethnic Russians.

    That's why we see these articles in today's Online News..

    Vladimir Putin has absorbed the West's 'consequences' and stepped up his aggression - Telegraph

    Polish president warns Germany of Putin's 'empire' ambitions


    Putin might eventually settle for what parts Russia has occupied and controlled but western Ukraine probably won't.
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    Re: Putin's End Game?

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    Putin is not Hitler
    Russia is not Germany ... if anyone is .. we are !
    How do I know this ?
    A bit of history reading.
    And, I think its better that the Russians in the Ukraine become part of Russia ..after all, A short time ago, Russia (Soviet Union) was far larger than it is now ...is this right ?

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    Re: Putin's End Game?

    Independent of any current or future administration, Putins has his eyes on former glory

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    Re: Putin's End Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
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    Putin is not Hitler
    Russia is not Germany ... if anyone is .. we are !
    How do I know this ?
    A bit of history reading.
    And, I think its better that the Russians in the Ukraine become part of Russia ..after all, A short time ago, Russia (Soviet Union) was far larger than it is now ...is this right ?
    True, all ethnic Russians should become part of Russia, small invasions and annexations at first, claims of no more territorial ambitions to follow, peace in our time sir, peace in our time.

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