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Thread: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctness?

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Your exactly the type of white man I was talking about. Your the type of white man who either doesn't understand or doesn't accept that the "political correctness" you're whining about is nothing more than marginalized groups finally speaking up to white men on a consistent, pervasive and influential basis. You're complaining about "hostility towards the First Amendment" and you don't even realize that WHITE MEN have ALWAYS been the most hostile towards the exercise of free speech by everybody else. Again, you guys are just getting a taste of the medicine your demographic has historically been forcing on everybody else.
    This is an observation on my part, but you seem bitter toward white people.

    You are wrong about one point, it wasn't just white men doing this the world over its everybody who's ever been in power somewhere. The problem is, things change those on the top end up on the bottom and visa versa. Then it changes again. Everyone gets ****ed in the ass eventually.

    I don't care about political correctness myself. If people wish to be politically correct so be it, its none of my business. Then again I don't care about the feelings or sensibilities so most of what I say is very politically incorrect. I personally find it satisfying pissing people off by merely speaking. That's how you find the weak minded fools so you can make them do what you want. Apparently people in this day and age still don't realize in that speech and meaning are two way and require agreement. No agreement no speech. I find it immanently entertaining watching hairless monkeys make fools of themselves over so much wind passing between their lips, with same meaning as farts out their asses. If I really want to know someone I watch what they do, actions speak volumes.
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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    This is an observation on my part, but you seem bitter toward white people.

    You are wrong about one point, it wasn't just white men doing this the world over its everybody who's ever been in power somewhere. The problem is, things change those on the top end up on the bottom and visa versa. Then it changes again. Everyone gets ****ed in the ass eventually.

    I don't care about political correctness myself. If people wish to be politically correct so be it, its none of my business. Then again I don't care about the feelings or sensibilities so most of what I say is very politically incorrect. I personally find it satisfying pissing people off by merely speaking. That's how you find the weak minded fools so you can make them do what you want. Apparently people in this day and age still don't realize in that speech and meaning are two way and require agreement. No agreement no speech. I find it immanently entertaining watching hairless monkeys make fools of themselves over so much wind passing between their lips, with same meaning as farts out their asses. If I really want to know someone I watch what they do, actions speak volumes.
    This is an observation on my part, but you seem to think that I give a ****.

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't see how the incident with the baker involved the freedom of speech. I'm not persuaded that anything in the Constitution prevents discrimination by private persons, although I think you'll find any federal law preventing it would be based on Congress' power to regulate interstate commerce. It should be up to each state to decide if it wants to prevent private discrimination, which states have authority to do.
    Just mentioned the baker to illustrate how the left thinks - do something they don't like?? and they'll call Big Brother to come and beat you up.

    That said, I don't think they rationalized the bullying of the baker under the supposed authority of the commerce clause (which doesn't exist for any such purpose), I think they rationalized as a "civil rights" issue.

    Of course the left doesn't care about anyones civil rights, they are simply using civil rights as a vehicle to attack liberty in the name of protecting any minority who plays the victim card. From the perspective of the statists who steer the PC movement, they don't care about the gay couple's rights any more than they care about the bakers, what they care about is power - the power to control anyone and everyone for any reason they want.

    PC is about expanding authoritarian control over the country - it doesn't have anything to with anyones rights.

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What about their freedom of speech? How dare you speak badly of them.
    What are you referring to? Please quote ME and not yourself so I'll know what you're talking about. Thanks. And even if I did speak badly about private organizations, wouldn't that be my own exercise of free speech?
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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    Just mentioned the baker to illustrate how the left thinks - do something they don't like?? and they'll call Big Brother to come and beat you up.

    That said, I don't think they rationalized the bullying of the baker under the supposed authority of the commerce clause (which doesn't exist for any such purpose), I think they rationalized as a "civil rights" issue.

    Of course the left doesn't care about anyones civil rights, they are simply using civil rights as a vehicle to attack liberty in the name of protecting any minority who plays the victim card. From the perspective of the statists who steer the PC movement, they don't care about the gay couple's rights any more than they care about the bakers, what they care about is power - the power to control anyone and everyone for any reason they want.

    PC is about expanding authoritarian control over the country - it doesn't have anything to with anyones rights.
    I agree with the gist of that, but I think you're ignoring a couple facts. First, any state is free to make laws against discrimination by private persons --landlords, employers, retailers, and so on. I don't believe there is any constitutional authority for federal laws which do that. Second, the First Amendment limits how far any law or government policy, state or federal, can infringe speech. The notion that leftists can just impose whatever rules they please is just not accurate. They can and do get sued, just like anyone else. There are conservative public law foundations all over the country staffed by very able people, and they win suits against leftist bullying all the time.

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Your exactly the type of white man I was talking about. Your the type of white man who either doesn't understand or doesn't accept that the "political correctness" you're whining about is nothing more than marginalized groups finally speaking up to white men on a consistent, pervasive and influential basis. You're complaining about "hostility towards the First Amendment" and you don't even realize that WHITE MEN have ALWAYS been the most hostile towards the exercise of free speech by everybody else. Again, you guys are just getting a taste of the medicine your demographic has historically been forcing on everybody else.
    Someone might think that's an insult against whites. I expect there are rules about racist slurs on these forums.

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    What are you referring to? Please quote ME and not yourself so I'll know what you're talking about. Thanks.
    What are you talking about? I did quote you. It seems someone else got it.

    And even if I did speak badly about private organizations, wouldn't that be my own exercise of free speech?
    And wouldn't their speaking badly about someone be their exercise of free speech?

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Someone might think that's an insult against whites. I expect there are rules about racist slurs on these forums.
    Report me. And when you do, explain how talking about a subset of white men is an insult against all white people. I'm sure the mods can't wait.

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I agree with the gist of that, but I think you're ignoring a couple facts. First, any state is free to make laws against discrimination by private persons --landlords, employers, retailers, and so on. I don't believe there is any constitutional authority for federal laws which do that. Second, the First Amendment limits how far any law or government policy, state or federal, can infringe speech. The notion that leftists can just impose whatever rules they please is just not accurate. They can and do get sued, just like anyone else. There are conservative public law foundations all over the country staffed by very able people, and they win suits against leftist bullying all the time.
    I'm speaking in broad terms - I'm fully aware of where we are, where we came from, and where we're going - I used to be one of those "very able people" who fought such things...

    I can assure you though, the Constitution means nothing to the left, and it means nothing to politicians. Only a small percentage of the people in Washington are fighting for the Constitution - the rest are there to steal money and seize power.

    The Constitution is still in place to some extent - the Establishment hasn't completely destroyed it - yet. My guess is that - when the next wave of crises are triggered the Establishment will crash the economy, and use that as the catalyst to rid themselves of the Constitution once and for all.

    Ruth Bader Ginsberg has talked quite openly about her desire to scrap our Constitution - and she's a SC Justice for God's sake. The Establishment is the power behind the throne - it is they who have created the conditions and minipulated them in such a way as to diminish the constrictive nature of the Constitution and expand governmental power over the masses.

    Still, as long as the Constitution remains alive, even if it is only on life support - it represents a threat to the Establishment, and a beacon of hope for those of us who desire to live as free men.

    That said, I have been in the game for a long time, and I know full well that what is happening to our country is very much deliberate, and that the end game is all about tearing up the Constitution and replacing it with an open ended grant of power to the government - all the while making flowery pronouncments about peoples rights. It will be a carbon copy of the UN Charter - which in effect states that you have every right under the sun, unless they say you don't.

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I'm white man, and I say whatever I please. Anyone who doesn't like it can cry all they want about it--but they can't shut me up, or make me use whatever words they prefer. I prefer my own, and nothing makes their preferences superior to mine.

    Political correctness itself was first dreamed up by communists, so it's not surprising to see communists defend it today. Almost all the hostility toward the First Amendment freedoms I see comes from people who ironically call themselves "liberals." They are the very opposite, and they hate the freedom of speech almost as much as they hate the freedom guaranteed by the next amendment in the Bill of Rights.
    Liberals love freedom of speech, as long as they agree with what is being said.
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