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Thread: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctness?

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Free speech does not mean "freedom from private repercussions". What kind of person thinks free speech means "no private citizen can disagree or take action against yours"? It's not "freedom from private repercussions".


    Do you tell your girlfriend she's a bitch and then claim freedom of speech in attempt to avoid the consequences? Idiocy.
    I'm not referring to private repercussions. What I'm talking about are organized campaigns to create adverse consequences for the speaker the are expanded to include people who never heard the speech initially and even some who otherwise wouldn't care except those people would also suffer consequences if they do not comply with the political correctness campaign in punishing the speaker.
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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'm not referring to private repercussions. What I'm talking about are organized campaigns to create adverse consequences for the speaker
    You don't believe in private organizations?

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You don't believe in private organizations?
    I'm all for private organizations. This does not necessarily mean I support every activity a private organization might engage in.
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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'm all for private organizations. This does not necessarily mean I support every activity a private organization might engage in.
    What about their freedom of speech? How dare you speak badly of them.

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    PC is isn't just social pressure - it is enforced by law. Just ask the baker who refused to bake a wedding cake for that disgusting gay couple.

    The baker did nothing wrong - it's his business and in a supposedly free country he should be able to run his business as he sees fit. What was disgusting was the gay couple appealing to governmental force to bully someone who simply didn't want to do business with them.

    They could very well have gone to another baker who would have gladly accepted their business, but that wasn't enough for them... they're bullies, and did what bullies do, they turned to force - governmental force, to impose their will upon another.

    At the end of the day - that is what PC is all about - force. Force wielded by an unconstrained and unaccountable government... PC is communism lite; at least for now. Eventually the need for pretense will be gone entirely, and governmental force will become increasingly more widespread and arbitrary... be it PC police, or the IRS that attacks a business owner; or the EPA that essentially puts an end to private property, etc.

    Freedom in America is all-but dead, and PC is a huge part of that.
    I don't see how the incident with the baker involved the freedom of speech. I'm not persuaded that anything in the Constitution prevents discrimination by private persons, although I think you'll find any federal law preventing it would be based on Congress' power to regulate interstate commerce. It should be up to each state to decide if it wants to prevent private discrimination, which states have authority to do.

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    I couldn't vote in your poll because both answers are the same thing.
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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Sometime I ponder our judgments of other peoples on a whole list of things that if you thing about it, we do ourselves, but just approach it differently. Are we REALLY that much more different than the groups we look down upon?

    Today: suppression of speech through intimidation.

    - Them: communism or other authoritarian government consequences on free expression on things they want you to keep your mouth shut about.

    - Us: political correctness where social pressure is used to exact consequences on free expression often through employment security unrelated to the speech, the collective decides you must keep your mouth shut about. Especially troubling is when government seeks to codify political correctness.
    I'm gonna go with communism.

    "Political correctness" isn't even a real problem to me. The main people who use the term "political correctness" and complain about it are white men. The reason white men are the ones who do this is because, in recent decades, they have begun to experience what every other demographic group has been experiencing regularly in this country since its inception: social consequences for socially unapproved comments. People of color and women have had to "keep their mouths shut" and have lacked true "freedom of speech" since ... um ... forever in this country. Now that white men are getting a taste of it (yes, a taste since the worst that happens to them is they lose their job when people of color and women used to get killed), they slap a label onto it and whine. Cry harder.

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm gonna go with communism.

    "Political correctness" isn't even a real problem to me. The main people who use the term "political correctness" and complain about it are white men. The reason white men are the ones who do this is because, in recent decades, they have begun to experience what every other demographic group has been experiencing regularly in this country since its inception: social consequences for socially unapproved comments. People of color and women have had to "keep their mouths shut" and have lacked true "freedom of speech" since ... um ... forever in this country. Now that white men are getting a taste of it (yes, a taste since the worst that happens to them is they lose their job when people of color and women used to get killed), they slap a label onto it and whine. Cry harder.

    I'm white man, and I say whatever I please. Anyone who doesn't like it can cry all they want about it--but they can't shut me up, or make me use whatever words they prefer. I prefer my own, and nothing makes their preferences superior to mine.

    Political correctness itself was first dreamed up by communists, so it's not surprising to see communists defend it today. Almost all the hostility toward the First Amendment freedoms I see comes from people who ironically call themselves "liberals." They are the very opposite, and they hate the freedom of speech almost as much as they hate the freedom guaranteed by the next amendment in the Bill of Rights.

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I'm white man, and I say whatever I please. Anyone who doesn't like it can cry all they want about it--but they can't shut me up, or make me use whatever words they prefer. I prefer my own, and nothing makes their preferences superior to mine.

    Political correctness itself was first dreamed up by communists, so it's not surprising to see communists defend it today. Almost all the hostility toward the First Amendment freedoms I see comes from people who ironically call themselves "liberals." They are the very opposite, and they hate the freedom of speech almost as much as they hate the freedom guaranteed by the next amendment in the Bill of Rights.
    Your exactly the type of white man I was talking about. Your the type of white man who either doesn't understand or doesn't accept that the "political correctness" you're whining about is nothing more than marginalized groups finally speaking up to white men on a consistent, pervasive and influential basis. You're complaining about "hostility towards the First Amendment" and you don't even realize that WHITE MEN have ALWAYS been the most hostile towards the exercise of free speech by everybody else. Again, you guys are just getting a taste of the medicine your demographic has historically been forcing on everybody else.

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    Re: Which is more effective in supressing free speech:communism or political correctn

    I don't feel at liberty to say.

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