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    Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    I saw this question in another debate forum I'm on and thought it'd be interesting to ask it here. It's a fun one, good for a friendly late-night debate. This question is based off of a scene in Iron Man 2 where Tony Stark is asked to hand his Iron Man suit over to the US Government.

    Where should be done here? Should Tony be able to keep his suit? Can he be trusted to be responsible with it? Will the US Government be any more responsible with it than Mr. Stark would be? Should there be limits to what he can do with the suit?

    Discuss.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I saw this question in another debate forum I'm on and thought it'd be interesting to ask it here. It's a fun one, good for a friendly late-night debate. This question is based off of a scene in Iron Man 2 where Tony Stark is asked to hand his Iron Man suit over to the US Government.

    Where should be done here? Should Tony be able to keep his suit? Can he be trusted to be responsible with it? Will the US Government be any more responsible with it than Mr. Stark would be? Should there be limits to what he can do with the suit?

    Discuss.
    Tony Stark wasn't more careful with it. If you recall he was a crippling alcoholic and did in fact get smashed at one party, got into Iron Man and started firing at all his completely defenseless guests with his three billion dollar murder suit.

    If you want to make a libertarian argument, Tony Stark isn't going to be your best poster boy.

    While Iron Man (and all its sequels) were really just multi-hour commercials for Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand's captains of industry weren't irresponsible alcoholic ten year olds in mens' bodies.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Tony Stark wasn't more careful with it. If you recall he was a crippling alcoholic and did in fact get smashed at one party, got into Iron Man and started firing at all his completely defenseless guests with his three billion dollar murder suit.

    If you want to make a libertarian argument, Tony Stark isn't going to be your best poster boy.

    While Iron Man (and all its sequels) were really just multi-hour commercials for Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand's captains of industry weren't irresponsible alcoholic ten year olds in mens' bodies.
    I don't recall giving my opinion one way or the other.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Yes, he should hand it over. I don't think advanced technology that's decades beyond what the military has is covered by the 2nd amendment. Especially since the government funded its development.
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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I don't recall giving my opinion one way or the other.
    I was using "you" in the universal sense.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I was using "you" in the universal sense.
    Ah, I see. My bad. Looked like you were kind of assuming what my position was.

    One thing I would like to correct you on though: What you described would be a likely right-libertarian approach to this issue, however not all libertarians would approach it the same way. Ayn Rand and unfiltered Capitalism is stuff of the Libertarian Right. There are those with less of an extreme economic position and even some that are rather leftist on economics. Just a friendly correction...it's kind of a pet peeve of mine when libertarians are associated with Ayn Rand. Not many people are aware that libertarianism is actually a civil/social philosophy that can lean either way on economics. The political compass is pretty good at showing this if you're not sure what I mean.
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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    The suit was originally powered by his heart power source or whatever it is called and could not be worn by anyone else. I would rather return to that than continue to abandon a rule they made in the first movie.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The suit was originally powered by his heart power source or whatever it is called and could not be worn by anyone else. I would rather return to that than continue to abandon a rule they made in the first movie.
    It was simply one power source. Ultimately it did not depend on him exclusively.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Especially since the government funded its development.
    What?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It was simply one power source. Ultimately it did not depend on him exclusively.
    If I recall there was no other power source that was powerful enough. They also didn't replace it with anything else if I recall, but just put someone else in the suit and ignored the power question all together.

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