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Thread: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Tough question, actually, with two sides.

    The one I think this poll is focused on is whether or not he had some civic duty to share the technology with the government. To that I would say no. There's nothing in our law that requires inventors to share their technology with the government. And the belief that such technology wouldn't be in others' hands for a while took care of any felt obligation on Tony's part to share it for the common good.

    Notice that once the technology is found with someone else, Tony pretty much lets Rhodey take the War Machine suit to the government without objection or reprisal. I think it becomes evident that Tony then feels its his patriotic duty to share the technology.

    The other side is one of regulation.
    Should the government allow Tony to be Iron Man, a private civilian with firepower so advanced that a tiny projectile can blow up a tank? To that side I'd say it's a matter of responsibility. Like pretty much all regulations, they're reactive when someone abuses freedoms to the detriment of other people. So long as Stark acts responsibly with the technology, the government should leave him be. And clearly they seem to give him quite a bit of leeway, as well, since they clearly didn't hold him accountable for damage done in New York, or flying into no-fly zones, etc.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Yes it did, the original Arc Reactor upon which the suits power source is designed was funded under government contract, everything developed under Stark Enterprises at that time prior to Tony cancelling all of his government contracts was government property including the suit because Stark Enterprises was a government defense contractor prior to his return from the kidnapping and press conference, hell the parts used to build the original suit in the cave came from weapons specifically designed for the military.
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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    What?
    Stark Industries was a major government weapons contractor. Tony might have built the suit himself, but he used a lot of Stark Industries inventions and technology to do it. I'm pretty sure it's not legal to use things developed for government use for your own personal benefit without the government's approval.

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    IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS! lol
    The one he built in the cave wasn't the original one. The original was the big one we see towards the end of the first movie. That was developed not by Tony personally, but by Stark Industries.

    And even if you ignore that part, the suit was armed. The weapons were developed by Stark Industries for the government.
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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    I don't find much merit in the idea that the government just assumes ownership of peoples inventions. For that reason I don't see anything wrong with Stark using his own inventions to make the iron man suit.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Stark Industries was a major government weapons contractor. Tony might have built the suit himself, but he used a lot of Stark Industries inventions and technology to do it. I'm pretty sure it's not legal to use things developed for government use for your own personal benefit without the government's approval.
    That only applies to the NASA, DOE and the NRC. You could do work for the government and maintain ownership.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I saw this question in another debate forum I'm on and thought it'd be interesting to ask it here. It's a fun one, good for a friendly late-night debate. This question is based off of a scene in Iron Man 2 where Tony Stark is asked to hand his Iron Man suit over to the US Government.

    Where should be done here? Should Tony be able to keep his suit? Can he be trusted to be responsible with it? Will the US Government be any more responsible with it than Mr. Stark would be? Should there be limits to what he can do with the suit?

    Discuss.
    Yes.

    Let's say that Tony's integrity is unshakable - he never ever uses it for ill purposes. That's great. Thing is, Tony's mortal. Even if - and it's a big 'if' - he's able to live out his life without anyone else getting access to that technology, it's probably not going to go *poof* and disappear when he dies...and when he does, who gets the armor? Probably not just one person...but whether it's one person or a whole corporate board, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and all of a sudden this company is effectively more powerful than the government and is thus effectively no longer under government oversight or even effectively subject to oversight by the press.

    And bad things happen when very rich men (who, like generals, tend to have outsized egos) get hold of very powerful weapons.

    Of course this is no guarantee that if the U.S. military was given the suits, that some within the military wouldn't cross the line...but generally speaking, until the rise of the American military-industrial complex, the civilian oversight of the military in first-world democracies has been quite effective. But now that mega-corporate weapons producers have so much power with our government and our military, I'm not sure that even if the Iron Man suit was given only to the government, that they'd be able to keep the suit out of the hands of the corporate overlords.
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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I saw this question in another debate forum I'm on and thought it'd be interesting to ask it here. It's a fun one, good for a friendly late-night debate. This question is based off of a scene in Iron Man 2 where Tony Stark is asked to hand his Iron Man suit over to the US Government.

    Where should be done here? Should Tony be able to keep his suit? Can he be trusted to be responsible with it? Will the US Government be any more responsible with it than Mr. Stark would be? Should there be limits to what he can do with the suit?

    Discuss.
    Of course he should be 'allowed' to keep the suits. He owns the patents and Stark Industries holds a Type-10 Federal Firearms License (maker & dealer of firearms & distructive devices).

    As for Mr.Stark's actions in forign countries, he may have broken a few Federal laws and international treaties there. It's my understanding that Stark Industries is based in, and that the "IronMan" suit manufactured in, the US. No US citizen has the authority to engage in agressive warfair on forign soil. Governors can't even deploy their National Guard to forign contries. Was Mr.Stark secretly conscripted and deployed under Title-10 USC, and the whole Congressional 'investigation' was just for show?

    Speaking of that, I'm pretty sure using back-doors to comendeer Congressional computers violates some part of the Patriot Act. Even Mr.Stark's impressive legal team can't save him from feloney charges on that one. It would take nothing short of some kind of clandestine supreme headquarters international espionage law-enforcement division to pull that off. But what a conspiracy that would be, such nonsense. Next thing you know people will report big green monsters or Norse gods amung us. Let's keep our heads out of the clouds, please.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    He built it, it's his property, and the government has no goddamned right to demand he allow them to use it or to copy it.

    On the other hand, his suit is subject to licensing and regulation for all kinds of reasons that have nothing to do with the right to keep and bear arms, so they're within their authority to demand that he shut it down. The government doesn't issue a license that would allow a civilian-- even a Defense contractor-- to carry armed missile launchers in public, and the arc reactor itself would be subject to Department of Energy regulations. The government has no lawful authority to demand anything pertaining to repulsor beams, but could theoretically pass laws restricting their maximum power output for civilian use as long as those regulations were consistent with legitimate militia functions; I don't recall any scenes that showed the repulsor beams to be much more powerful than legitimate militia anti-materiel weapons.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Tony Stark wasn't more careful with it. If you recall he was a crippling alcoholic and did in fact get smashed at one party, got into Iron Man and started firing at all his completely defenseless guests with his three billion dollar murder suit.

    If you want to make a libertarian argument, Tony Stark isn't going to be your best poster boy.

    While Iron Man (and all its sequels) were really just multi-hour commercials for Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand's captains of industry weren't irresponsible alcoholic ten year olds in mens' bodies.
    Exelent points. What we need is common-sense assult-suit regulation to keep weapons of war off the street. Think of the children.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    If I was Tony Stark I would use the suit and force the US into a libertarian style government. But thats just me.

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