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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I saw this question in another debate forum I'm on and thought it'd be interesting to ask it here. It's a fun one, good for a friendly late-night debate. This question is based off of a scene in Iron Man 2 where Tony Stark is asked to hand his Iron Man suit over to the US Government.

    Where should be done here? Should Tony be able to keep his suit? Can he be trusted to be responsible with it? Will the US Government be any more responsible with it than Mr. Stark would be? Should there be limits to what he can do with the suit?

    Discuss.
    I think it helps that Tony Stark has God Tier levels of competence. He invents hard AI, Fusion, and nano-technology and seems more capable than the US Government by a wide margin. Tony Stark gets to keep his suit, but would I let anyone else in the US today? Hell no.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I saw this question in another debate forum I'm on and thought it'd be interesting to ask it here. It's a fun one, good for a friendly late-night debate. This question is based off of a scene in Iron Man 2 where Tony Stark is asked to hand his Iron Man suit over to the US Government.

    Where should be done here? Should Tony be able to keep his suit? Can he be trusted to be responsible with it? Will the US Government be any more responsible with it than Mr. Stark would be? Should there be limits to what he can do with the suit?

    Discuss.
    He was under U.S. government contract at the time of its design and the original suit was actually made with U.S. military hardware that he likewise designed, he can't be responsible with it as is seen when he gets drunk and fights war machine then goes drunk flying to a giant donut, plus he supported the Superhero Registration Act and murdered Captain America so he's kind of a dick.

    This was actually a topic of an article over on cracked.com:

    #5. Every Decision Tony Stark Makes Is Terrible (and Illegal)


    Let's start with the fact that the man could and should be thrown in jail at any moment.

    See, a good portion of the Iron Man movie franchise focuses on Tony Stark's legal battle with the U.S. government -- they really want him to hand over the Iron Man suit (something about it being a highly effective superweapon capable of neutralizing an entire platoon in seconds and how it probably shouldn't be in the hands of an emotionally unstable alcoholic). But as a legal matter, the government absolutely has a right to demand it for another reason: This technology was created with taxpayer money. It totally belongs to the government.

    Remember, Stark Industries is a defense contractor, and thus subject to the same regulations as a company like Lockheed Martin. Any technology built while on a government contract can be used only on that contract, whether it be a tank engine or a piece of software. Because, you know, the government paid for it. The developers can't sell the technology to anyone else or use it to destabilize foreign terrorist cells on a lazy Sunday afternoon.

    And as we know from the first Iron Man movie ...

    ... Tony built the original Arc Reactor -- the one thing that makes the suit work -- as part of a government contract. Hell, the original armor prototype he threw together in the cave was built out of parts from missiles he created under another defense department contract. All of that research and development was done on the taxpayer's dime, and then Tony uses it to turn himself into a superhero and claims that nobody else has a right to put their filthy paws on it. In reality, it would be illegal for Tony to use an Arc Reactor to power his goddamn TiVo, let alone use it to fly halfway around the world and punch tanks in half (which incidentally is also illegal, because crossing national borders with that suit constitutes the trafficking of defense technology).

    But knowing that he's in violation of federal law every minute he spends zipping around in his futuristic explosion suit only makes his other decisions that much more baffling.

    First of all, Tony openly admits to being Iron Man on national television. As far as the law is concerned, he might as well have announced that he had been smuggling weapons to Chinese pirates for the past seven years, because both are violations of the same set of regulations. Remember, there's a reason Bruce Wayne keeps his Batman hobby a secret: He knows that what he's doing is illegal as ****, billionaire or not. But Tony proudly confesses his criminal activities several times in the middle of a congressional hearing, then hacks into a few government computers (also a crime) and walks out of the courtroom flashing deuces. It's like he's daring the government to throw him in federal prison for a decade.

    After insisting that the Iron Man suit isn't a threat to national security as long as it remains in his carefully guarded hands, Tony proceeds to torpedo his own argument in Iron Man 2 by using the armor to drunkenly endanger people's lives at his birthday party and then fly, hungover, to eat doughnuts on top of another, larger doughnut.

    His friend Rhodes, an Air Force colonel, shows up at the party to keep Tony from hurting anyone, and Tony goes out of his way to prove to a man who is both a close friend and a high-ranking government official just how little he can be trusted with the armor (the use of which, we can't stress enough, can land Tony in prison).

    Then, Rhodes steals one of the Iron Man suits while Tony is too drunk to object, because apparently all you need to do to put on an Iron Man suit is stick one foot in each metal boot hole and strap it the **** on. Tony could've at least put a bike lock on the damn thing. As it stands, his superweapon seems to have about as much security as a dusty old pickup truck. Any of the alcohol-soaked dumbasses who came to his party could have flown home with an Iron Man suit of their very own -- both Tony and the entire world are lucky it was Rhodes who wound up taking one instead of some 24-year-old trust fund douchebag from Malibu.

    Then, in The Avengers, Tony builds a giant tower in the middle of New York City with his name on the side and zooms in and out of there in his unsanctioned murder costume on a regular basis. He even invites Bruce Banner, aka the Hulk, an earthquake with fists who's currently sitting at the top of the international watch list, to come stay in the tower and help him build even more secret illegal technology.

    It's like Tony is deliberately acting out every possible bullet point on a list of reasons why the government needs to confiscate his superhero suit and toss him in a jail cell, presumably one without smelting tools and a helpful fellow scientist.


    5 Marvel Characters Who Totally Dropped the Ball | Cracked.com

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Didn't the government end up being infiltrated by an occult nazi group? There's terrible choices all around.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Not in the films, it didn't.
    Yes it did, the original Arc Reactor upon which the suits power source is designed was funded under government contract, everything developed under Stark Enterprises at that time prior to Tony cancelling all of his government contracts was government property including the suit because Stark Enterprises was a government defense contractor prior to his return from the kidnapping and press conference, hell the parts used to build the original suit in the cave came from weapons specifically designed for the military.
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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Didn't the government end up being infiltrated by an occult nazi group? There's terrible choices all around.
    True, but it ultimately turned out all of S.H.I.E.L.D. was being run by an occult Nazi group.

    He's basically damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The suit is his. If he does something illegal with it they can try and convict him, and if successful, impound his suit (for public safety).
    Such as flying across international borders with advanced weaponry? Entering no-fly zones patrolled by the U.S. airforce? Or perhaps flying drunk as **** to a donuts shop in the desert?

    But they may not use it themselves, nor may they copy the tech without his permission. The tech is fully his as well.
    The suit was designed while Stark Enterprises was under government contract, anything designed during that time was built with taxpayer dollars and belongs to the government.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Didn't the government end up being infiltrated by an occult nazi group? There's terrible choices all around.
    Was just going to say, considering the guy spearheading the confiscation was a nazi fascist seeing world domination turning it over in the Marvel a Cinematic Universes version if government would probably not be ideal

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Didn't the government end up being infiltrated by an occult nazi group? There's terrible choices all around.
    Ya but Iron Man succeeded where Hydra failed IE when he murdered Captain America during the Civil War series.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Was just going to say, considering the guy spearheading the confiscation was a nazi fascist seeing world domination turning it over in the Marvel a Cinematic Universes version if government would probably not be ideal
    Good counterpoint, here's another, when the military did get their hands on one it was stolen and used to kidnap the President.

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    Re: Should Tony Stark Hand His Suit Over To The US Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The suit was originally powered by his heart power source or whatever it is called and could not be worn by anyone else. I would rather return to that than continue to abandon a rule they made in the first movie.
    No the Arc Reactor he built in the cave was to act as an electro magnet to keep shrapnel from entering his heart, if you remember before he built it he had a car battery wired to his chest.

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