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    Re: Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    Schools should be allowed to dictate hair styles ONLY if the style distracts other students from learning.
    Given the hormone levels in the later school years, the very presence of another student distracts other students from learning.

    "if it distracts" is not an acceptable reason for disallowing something.

    Perhaps if you mean "overly distracting"? Even that could be interpreted incorrectly though.
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    Re: Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No, he was replying to a thread about school authority (not specifically in the classroom) and chose to use it as a platform to criticize teachers by narrowing the issue to the classroom and their faults.

    Again: context and meaning make a difference when reading. It's very important.
    Let's go through this step-by-step.

    Radcen (Post #1):
    Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?
    Public Schools.
    Superfly (Post#11, her first post, not addressing anything other than the first post):
    No, they shouldn't be allowed to dictate students' hair styles. I've heard that certain hairstyles are banned because they cause a disruption in the classroom. My response to that is to be a better teacher. Get a better handle on your students. If something as simple as a hairstyle disrupts your classroom, then the problem is you, not the students.
    Lursa (Post #51, directly replying to the quote above):
    WHo says disruption is only in the classroom? Kids arent in class all the time and they have plenty of time to fight, abuse, taunt, etc each other.

    That kind of atmosphere has a negative affect on learning.
    1) If your point was to suggest that youth misbehavior occurs outside of the school, you would be correct, albeit irrelevant.

    2) If your point was to suggest that youth misbehavior occurs outside the school and somehow hairstyle influences it, and thus you support hairstyle regulation, then both of us would disagree.

    Now I had presumed that it was potentially meaning #2, but you respond as if both of us are in error.
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    Re: Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Let's go through this step-by-step.

    Radcen (Post #1):

    Superfly (Post#11, her first post, not addressing anything other than the first post):


    Lursa (Post #51, directly replying to the quote above):

    1) If your point was to suggest that youth misbehavior occurs outside of the school, you would be correct, albeit irrelevant.

    2) If your point was to suggest that youth misbehavior occurs outside the school and somehow hairstyle influences it, and thus you support hairstyle regulation, then both of us would disagree.

    Now I had presumed that it was potentially meaning #2, but you respond as if both of us are in error.
    So you are claiming that schools are made up of only classrooms? And that's where ALL student time is spent?

    I think we need to back even further than "Reading: it's fundamental".

    And your entire post supports what I said, thanks for putting it together for me.
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    Re: Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So you are claiming that schools are made up of only classrooms? And that's where ALL student time is spent?

    I think we need to back even further than "Reading: it's fundamental".

    And your entire post supports what I said, thanks for putting it together for me.
    You are then taking the approach that because unique hairstyles elicit social commentary, we should thus regulate them. I would still disagree.

    That being said, there is an argument about it being unwieldy for the instructor to deal with, which is rather weak.

    Our rather reasonable interpretations of your posts are hardly our fault.
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    Re: Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?

    Public schools.


    No. My son's hair is his business, and possibly mine. Not theirs.

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    Re: Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You are then taking the approach that because unique hairstyles elicit social commentary, we should thus regulate them. I would still disagree.

    That being said, there is an argument about it being unwieldy for the instructor to deal with, which is rather weak.

    Our rather reasonable interpretations of your posts are hardly our fault.
    I made zero comment about hair. NONE. I made it about focusing on teacher responsibility.

    You are really embarrassing yourself here. Seriously.

    "Reading: it's fundamental." Try it again.
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    Re: Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I made zero comment about hair. NONE. I made it about focusing on teacher responsibility.

    You are really embarrassing yourself here. Seriously.

    "Reading: it's fundamental." Try it again.
    That's a rather strange stance to take in a thread that is directly about hair, and a post responding to a quote offering a readily-known justifier of sporadic public school hair regulations (that it is a classroom distraction), don't you think?
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    Re: Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That's a rather strange stance to take in a thread that is directly about hair, and a post responding to a quote offering a readily-known justifier of sporadic public school hair regulations (that it is a classroom distraction), don't you think?
    Dont remember even asking you to get involved, but hey, it's a public discussion. It would have been nice if you'd replied with something remotely relevant to that conversation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly
    No, they shouldn't be allowed to dictate students' hair styles. I've heard that certain hairstyles are banned because they cause a disruption in the classroom. My response to that is to be a better teacher. Get a better handle on your students. If something as simple as a hairstyle disrupts your classroom, then the problem is you, not the students.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa
    WHo says disruption is only in the classroom?Kids arent in class all the time and they have plenty of time to fight, abuse, taunt, etc each other.

    That kind of atmosphere has a negative affect on learning.
    Again, I was referring to it not being just about teachers controlling what happens in the classroom...that kids interact with each other constantly in school *not just in the classroom* Topic title: "Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?"

    And if it needs to be explained at an even lower level, I'm done....wasted enough time already.
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    Re: Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It would have been nice if you'd replied with something remotely relevant to that conversation.
    You're right, I wasn't "invited." I don't need to be. Your ideas (however poorly elaborated they may have been) were for public consumption. Being snotty about it doesn't improve the quality of your ideas or your response to reasonable interpretations or reactions toward your posts.

    I did respond something relevant to that conversation, actually. It apparently wasn't what you were wanting to discuss, however.

    Again, I was referring to it not being just about teachers controlling what happens in the classroom...that kids interact with each other constantly in school *not just in the classroom* Topic title: "Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?"
    And she was rightly referring to what schools often do to justify hair regulation: classroom distraction. This is part of classroom management, and no, it is not a hefty expectation that an instructor be able to keep the student body (or the student in question) in relative control when a student is sporting a unique hairstyle. That comes with the job.

    Pointing out that there are other areas as to when a student's hairstyle can become a "distraction" or a source of harm to that particular student is perhaps worthy of discussion (again, we both disagree with that individual justifier of regulation), nevertheless, on her point, an adequate instructor's classroom management is not harmed through hairstyle. On that basis, it does not merit regulation.

    Attempting to suggest that you would have to "dumb it down" for me does not in any way make your ideas clearer to an educated reader, nor does it make your response or ideas seem reasonable.
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    Re: Should schools have the authority to dictate student's hair styles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You're right, I wasn't "invited." I don't need to be. Your ideas (however poorly elaborated they may have been) were for public consumption. Being snotty about it doesn't improve the quality of your ideas or your response to reasonable interpretations or reactions toward your posts.

    I did respond something relevant to that conversation, actually. It apparently wasn't what you were wanting to discuss, however.



    And she was rightly referring to what schools often do to justify hair regulation: classroom distraction. This is part of classroom management, and no, it is not a hefty expectation that an instructor be able to keep the student body (or the student in question) in relative control when a student is sporting a unique hairstyle. That comes with the job.

    Pointing out that there are other areas as to when a student's hairstyle can become a "distraction" or a source of harm to that particular student is perhaps worthy of discussion (again, we both disagree with that individual justifier of regulation), nevertheless, on her point, an adequate instructor's classroom management is not harmed through hairstyle. On that basis, it does not merit regulation.

    Attempting to suggest that you would have to "dumb it down" for me does not in any way make your ideas clearer to an educated reader, nor does it make your response or ideas seem reasonable.

    NONE of that had to do with my reply to her. It's nice that you feel you can tell me what I should have responded to, and how, but that's not how the Internet works.

    The 'school' encompasses alot more than classrooms and a brief but pithy tirade about teachers controlling their classrooms was something I chose to call out and explore further. (That didnt happen since you sidetracked it and at least Superfly had the sense to retreat if not interested)

    And it had to be wriiten out several times for you so I'm pretty sure my efforts to dumb it down...altho still wasted...WERE necessary. You provided all the proof needed of that. Mostly by not just gracefully retiring by admitting you didnt read it properly the first time, instead of unsuccessfully trying to justify it.
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