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    Re: If the USA is Going to Bomb ISIS in Syria Should the USA Work With Assad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    currently most of those 'genius's' are flying the banner of ISIS.
    Oh please. A genius has one of two options with ISIS, be killed or pretend to be with them. Let's not pretend barbaric terrorism attracts those of exceptional intelligence.

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    Re: If the USA is Going to Bomb ISIS in Syria Should the USA Work With Assad?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What makes you believe Assad can wage war against the US? He's not gonna do anything to the US. If he fires on a US military asset, his palace will cease to exist and he'll be dead.Sec

    Still doesn't answer who we replace him with. I don't think the supposed moderates amount to much there, which means ISIS. I don't like that option very much either. Let Assad get rid of ISIS for us, or let ISIS get rid of Assad. Then we can deal with the aftermath. Right now neither option is very good.


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    Re: If the USA is Going to Bomb ISIS in Syria Should the USA Work With Assad?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Assad is guilty of horrible war crimes, including gassing the capital, and needs to go.
    Toss him out and you leave a power vacuum that ISIS/ISIL will fill. Yeah, Assad is a bad man, but taking him out of the picture leaves the door open for worse men to take over. Look at what happened when Pres. Tito died. Yugoslavia fell apart and ended up with years of civil war/genocide. Tito was a vicious leader, but he was better than the alternative. It sucks to have to accept the fact that we have to allow bad people to stick around, but when the alternative is allowing even worse ones to take over, any sane person knows what the intelligent choice is.
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    Re: If the USA is Going to Bomb ISIS in Syria Should the USA Work With Assad?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Still doesn't answer who we replace him with.
    A democratic transitional government. Why does it need to be a cult of personality for you?

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    Re: If the USA is Going to Bomb ISIS in Syria Should the USA Work With Assad?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm going to fight ISIS while maintaining that Assad must go. Ultimately, the choice is not between ISIS and Assad; the only choice is democracy and human rights. Those things are advanced through the defeat of ISIS and the removal of Assad. Given space to operate, moderates will re-emerge.
    The moderates aren't willing to take the steps that lead to power and as such they would get slaughtered in short order. This is an Arab/Persian nation where strength and power are what is respected. The people who lead these countries are not the reasonable people, they are the violent extremists because they are the ones willing to do whatever it takes to take and keep power. Remove one guy and the next most ambitious guy will step forward walking through the blood of the people who got in his way. That's the simple fact about Arab/Persian culture.
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    Re: If the USA is Going to Bomb ISIS in Syria Should the USA Work With Assad?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Toss him out and you leave a power vacuum that ISIS/ISIL will fill.
    Strawman.

    You're ignoring the support of moderates. Transitional democratic governments are in place throughout the world, let's not pretend it's impossible. Let's not pretend that the only people in Syria are terrorists and supporters of mass-murdering dictatorship.

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    Re: If the USA is Going to Bomb ISIS in Syria Should the USA Work With Assad?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Sorry. But that last option is clearly unrealistic. The moderates have almost completely lost. Now its Islamists, or more extreme Islamists.
    Exactly. The ones most willing to seize power at any cost will be the ones that come out on top. This will be another case of the worst people wining instead of the best. The only possibility (a very thin one) would for us to start killing off the bad leaders on both sides until someone realizes that being the baddest dog on that block is a one-way ticket to getting turned into a red smear. Outside of that kind of approach, there is no good solution... :sad
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    Re: If the USA is Going to Bomb ISIS in Syria Should the USA Work With Assad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i don't think we should assist assad becuase he is demanding that any bombings or airstrikes that the united states would conduct in syria need to be approved by his regime. how can we be certain he is targeting his political enemys and using the united states airforce as his unwilling hitmen?
    I think that's EXACCTLY what Assad wants. He gets to run the biggest, baddest and best military on the planet and take out his political rivals alongside the people trying to remove him from office.
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    Re: If the USA is Going to Bomb ISIS in Syria Should the USA Work With Assad?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Strawman.

    You're ignoring the support of moderates. Transitional democratic governments are in place throughout the world, let's not pretend it's impossible. Let's not pretend that the only people in Syria are terrorists and supporters of mass-murdering dictatorship.
    They lack the strength of will and willingness to use power and fear to ever take power. The moderates are the sheep among wolves and expecting the sheep to take over means expecting the wolves to stop being wolves - AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
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