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    Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Right, so, it seems that the basic argument in favor of raising the minimum wage seems to boil down to:

    It is damn nigh impossible to raise a family on minimum wage, yet some people in our economy are forced to attempt to do just that

    and the basic argument against minimum wage is:

    minimum wage hikes make labor more expensive, reducing demand by employers - you'll help some workers at the expense of others

    SO

    Let's expand the Earned Income Tax Credit, and have it applied on a monthly basis to paychecks (instead of in a lump sum in April), so that it actually helps you live and raise a family throughout the course of the year.

    We encourage work, we don't discourage hiring of poorer workers, and we give low-income families the boost they need. Both sides' goals are achieved.





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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    I like the Earned Income Tax Credit. We have seen how increased pay tends to simply reduce the number of hours worked. Working more hours at higher pay simply leads to less government benefits and little change in quality of life. But earned income credit encourages work and adds to one's income in real terms.

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    I'm more in favor of a tiered minimum wage. Set it at $15. 16 year olds can get 7.50 an hour raising 10% per year of the difference until 25. So you can still get cheap labor but it will truly be unskilled.

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    I'm fine with modest updates (dramatic updates tend to produce equally dramatic outcries, and probably less in regard to actual substantive improvements in the quality of living), and at the state level fine with it being checked to cost of living. Your proposal, on the other hand, I am unsure. This is mostly on behalf of it being a matter of uncertainty with practicality, and a lack of knowledge on how it would substantively would work for a person filling out necessary information in order to receive the credits.

    As such, it is perhaps my imagination which prevents me from siding positively.
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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Interesting topic. I need to learn more first.
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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    I'm more in favor of a tiered minimum wage. Set it at $15. 16 year olds can get 7.50 an hour raising 10% per year of the difference until 25. So you can still get cheap labor but it will truly be unskilled.
    If you set the minimum wage at $15, then it makes it worth my while to take a 2nd job. Where as right now I cant be bothered.

    But for $15/hr, 12-15/week, I'd do so, at least in the winter. That's an extra ~750/month for hobbies.

    And thus I would be taking the job of someone that actually might need that job.

    Just one reason that raising the minimum wage that high for unskilled labor will not necessarily provide higher paying jobs for unskilled labor...all of a sudden, those jobs are attractive to 'skilled labor.'
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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If you set the minimum wage at $15, then it makes it worth my while to take a 2nd job. Where as right now I cant be bothered.

    But for $15/hr, 12-15/week, I'd do so, at least in the winter. That's an extra ~750/month for hobbies.

    And thus I would be taking the job of someone that actually might need that job.

    Just one reason that raising the minimum wage that high for unskilled labor will not necessarily provide higher paying jobs for unskilled labor...all of a sudden, those jobs are attractive to 'skilled labor.'
    If someone is only working 12-15 hours a week at minimum wage then they would never be able to support themselves anyways. So them having that job is not helping them and it's definitely not helping the company since since they are probably nearly worthless as an employee anyways.

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    What happened to non-left or right leaning persons?



    As I have pointed out many times, according to the federal government, single persons OR married persons (who both work) with up to three children are above the poverty line if they work full time at present minimum wage ($7.25/hr.) jobs.

    If minimum wage is enough for people to live above the poverty line then it does not need to be raised on moral grounds.

    Minimum wage is not for excelling...it's for surviving.

    And according to the government, it is more then enough for responsible people to survive on.


    Plus, raising the minimum wage hurts jobs cording to the CBO (and common sense, IMO).

    http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44995


    So the present minimum wqge is sufficient for survival AND raising it largely hurts jobs...both according to the government.

    Nothing more needs to be said, IMO.
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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Allowing lower skilled work to yield higher pay is not a good goal regardless of how that is to be forced by the gov't. The idea is to get folks to be more productive in order to get that bigger paycheck - not to simply make a (part time?) McJob into a lower middle class career.
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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Right, so, it seems that the basic argument in favor of raising the minimum wage seems to boil down to:

    It is damn nigh impossible to raise a family on minimum wage, yet some people in our economy are forced to attempt to do just that

    and the basic argument against minimum wage is:

    minimum wage hikes make labor more expensive, reducing demand by employers - you'll help some workers at the expense of others

    SO

    Let's expand the Earned Income Tax Credit, and have it applied on a monthly basis to paychecks (instead of in a lump sum in April), so that it actually helps you live and raise a family throughout the course of the year.

    We encourage work, we don't discourage hiring of poorer workers, and we give low-income families the boost they need. Both sides' goals are achieved.





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    If I understand you correctly, you are proposing that the government should abandon their attempt to fix prices and just create another government entitlement program.

    Frankly, I don't support either alternative.
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