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Thread: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The results of this system will be to disadvantage low-education adults in favor of middle-class white kids.
    How so?

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Right, so, it seems that the basic argument in favor of raising the minimum wage seems to boil down to:

    It is damn nigh impossible to raise a family on minimum wage, yet some people in our economy are forced to attempt to do just that

    and the basic argument against minimum wage is:

    minimum wage hikes make labor more expensive, reducing demand by employers - you'll help some workers at the expense of others

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    Let's expand the Earned Income Tax Credit, and have it applied on a monthly basis to paychecks (instead of in a lump sum in April), so that it actually helps you live and raise a family throughout the course of the year.

    We encourage work, we don't discourage hiring of poorer workers, and we give low-income families the boost they need. Both sides' goals are achieved.





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    That's a very interesting proposal, sir. One that hadn't crossed my mind. I'd like to learn more about it, but I think I'd be totally cool with that.
    Be skeptical of anyone who wears a political label - party or ideology - with pride. Most of our problems are because people love to "debate" (it isn't debate, but they pretend it is), but are not interested in developing solutions. Solutions require empathy, thought, and compromise, and most folks aren't interested.

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    I don't see proposals to raise the minimum wage as anything but a sham to get more votes for the politicians that support it. In the end, after the inflation that raising the minimum wages causes, the only thing that changes is the value of money and we're back where we started.
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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the point being that by increasing the return, you encourage more to actually labor. Better EITC than Unemployment, TANF, etc. as a way of life.
    That sounds wonderful but those programs will not end - it will simply make a McJob pay [i]some[/i} folks better at the expense of others.
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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That sounds wonderful but those programs will not end - it will simply make a McJob pay [i]some[/i} folks better at the expense of others.
    ...you are correct that the programs will not end, their need will simply lessen, as it did when we enacted pro-work welfare reform in the 90s.

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    How so?
    Because you will make low-skill adults more expensive relative to their competition.

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    I don't see proposals to raise the minimum wage as anything but a sham to get more votes for the politicians that support it. In the end, after the inflation that raising the minimum wages causes, the only thing that changes is the value of money and we're back where we started.
    The pols want it because some unions have clauses that trigger automatic increases should minwage rise. No negotiation needed.

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by dogtowner View Post
    The pols want it because some unions have clauses that trigger automatic increases should minwage rise. No negotiation needed.
    Agree. Win win for politicians and lose lose for us.
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